extensor-right elbow bend-right arm thrusting
 

Hand controlled pivot and Pivot controlled hands, is there any swinger with synchronisd hitting (right arm thrusting), you sure the CF would powerful enough to pull our right elbow out on the downswing?

Got more there to ask

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Re: extensor-right elbow bend-right arm thrusting
 

OZ,
My man. Taking a journey down the yellow book road.....

Lets make sure we're all on the same page here. I looked at your thread and it appears the extensor action, swinging, right arm thrusting might have you a little beside yourself - and thats a good thing! Need to keep turning it over and questioning this and that to learn.

But I am a little confused as to your exact question. If you are swinging or thrusting, the right arm will be releasing (assuming by 'pulling our right elbow out' means it is extending) in some capacity.

Now...the deeper question has been debated a ton. For ME, and only ME, right arm thrusting is NOT compatible with swinging and I personally wouldnt be too concerned with it.

However...I am not sure all your questions have been answered. Please ask - and label them 1, 2, 3, etc and I PROMISE they will be answered and I promise others will join in that do not normally join in. I got friends in high places.

:wink:

That is interesting, I get tongzilla (another member in the forum) and he had a look at my swing. Before he look at my article, he thought that I am really struggle in getting the ball in the air. But in fact my ball flight is pretty good, and most of the time I am using my driver to aim at target 250yds away from me, and pretty much I am compressing the ball.

He said I am pretty much a Hitter, but I am drag loading....as well as having an open club face at the top?????? He said very likely I am 4 barrel person....And that is why I am asking that silly question.

Thanks

Right Arm Swinging
 

Right Arm Swinging....alive and well in 10-11-1-0 just look under the phrase "True Swing" RIGHT ARM (7-19) or left Arm.

After Right Arm Swinging with a weighted club.....my right elbow feels fine. No elbow problems here....


My question to the class....Why did Homer associateTrue Swinging with the Right Arm???


DG

Re: Right Arm Swinging
 

DG...

Lets see, I havent been around in ages, and you dont even say hi? DG..come on, where's your manners? Tsk, tsk.

In case anyone is scratching their head - I am fairly confident (say, 95%) you mean 10-11-0-1 (cant remember there being a 10-11-1-0 but too lazy to open up some boxes to get to the book).

Glad to hear it.



I am well aware of the advantages and disadvantages of right arm swinging, and we have been down that path.

Now, I have even so much as peekd at the little yellow book in ages and I am fairly confident (say, 99%) I can answer your question below quite simply - and in doing so, I will assume you agree further discussion on this particular topic requires a new thread - again, let's both mind our manners here and not threadjack:

He didnt.

Re: Right Arm Swinging
 

Because:

Homer used the term “true” with the Swing Stroke when the stroke used CF to release the clubhead. A Swinger can still use a hands manipulated Swing Stroke and be called a Swinger- but not a true Swinger. Homer also said that Swingers that use hands manipulation have more options and preferred this manner because of the increased options available. Homer also stated that the use of 6-b-1-D never makes the right arm totally passive. Not totally active in pushing but not totally inert, either.

But you mention “True Swinging,” so lets stay with that...

So, the right arm can be a “True Swing” Stroke pattern, according to the way Homer uses the word “true.” Lets read 7-19- last paragraph, first sentence-

“The “Right Arm Swing” is simply 10-3-K with loosened Wrists (7-1) and longitudinal acceleration using 7-19-3 above.”

And the last sentence reads-

“So, if there is a twinge in the elbow, you are Swinging your Right Arm.”
Top notch endorsement, huh?

Its only connection to 10-3-K is that the right arm needs to be the center of the swing, using Push Elbow both with loosened wrists, most likely with a slight bend in the left wrist And it might twinge the elbow. But it is a “True Swing” procedure never the less.

Patrick’s point was that ‘right arm thrusting is NOT compatible with swinging.’
You have to agree since both Homer and yourself call “ true right arm swinging” one with loosened wrists -and that isn’t thrusting. Correct?.

Simple response....yes, Homer did associate True Swinging with the Right Arm (10-11-0-1, thanks for the correction)....and he even made the reference to 7-19, hmmmm “Right Arm Swing". Please open your 6th edition text to page 169. It's plain as day.....true swinging--right arm or left arm.


The Right Arm Swing is not 4 barrel swinging. I would agree that 4 Barrel Swinging with a Non-Automatic or a Automatic Snap Release is like hitting. However, I don't agree that a Right Arm Swing when executed with the correct components implies a hit, it is a swinging motion. If fact, a true swinging motion like the left arm stroke...hence, the reference in 10-11-0-1). Homer can make this statement because he was a student of the release motions. I don’t have the page committed to memory but Homer asks the students of the book to become students of the release motions also. If one does not have a full grasp of the release motions (executing them in practice and in play) your knowledge of the different swing types will be incomplete. Your judgment of a stroke pattern like the right arm swing will be an opinion not fact.


DG

Re: Right Arm Swinging
 

I have been using the Right Arm to thrust the club in some form for over 10 years and have never experienced a twinge in my elbow. Homer does not mention if thats a good thing or a bad thing, a developmental issue or a real serious physical issue. However, if you back up one sentence to the Axe Handle procedure (HITTING), he talks about the potential for serious injury to the right elbow ligaments. Mike, I'm surprised you didn't mention anything about that!!!

OK, I'll try it again.....10-11-0-1 in reference to pressure point #1..."It is only a passive "direct drive" with any true Swing procedure--Right Arm(7-19) or Left (6-B-3-0)--except per 2-M-3".

I believe that last statement "except per 2-M-3" validates my comment about 4 Barrel Swinging.

What is the big deal about the right arm swing being a true swing??? I see it only as a good thing....one more trick to add to your bag of tricks!!!

Trust me....there is CF in the right arm swing. See 2-M-1.

Delaware Golf

Delaware: Are you using Right Arm Swing, or Four Barrel Swing, or both?

Homer Kelly once said himself:

""The idea of using a Four Accumulator Swing is extemely difficult, and I would say totally inadvisable. It can be done...maybe somebody can develop a skill...enough skill to handle it...but I wouldn't teach it to anybody...the Four Accumulator Swing."

"I would teach a Four Accumulator Hitting because you can use the Right Shoulder Turn for Acceleration in Hitting, too. But...Hitting and Swinging do not mix. They simply to do not mix."

A lot of people confuse the feel of Right Arm Thrust/Drive with their Right Shoulder driving the Acc#4 down plane through Impact. There is a huge difference between the power source coming from the Right Triceps and the Right Shoulder. The use of Right Shoulder drive doesn't mean you're using Accumulator #1.

Is there a difference between Four Barrel Hitting and Four Barrel Swinging? Since they both use all four of the available Accumulators, won't they be pretty similar? Well, I think it's pretty hard to push and pull at the same time! The Swinger shouln't allow the Push of the Right Arm to overpower the Pulling. And the Hitter shouldn't allow the Pulling to overpower the Pushing. And of course it is their respective Lag Loading procedures (10-19-A/C) that differentiates the two.

In my game, I use Right Arm Swinging (3 Barrel) and Three Barrel hitting....both work well together....

And with a right shoulder drive are you really talking about a 10-20-C Shoulder Turn Throw?

Look to 10-19-0 why hitting and swinging don't mix....


Right Arm Swing is using longitudinal acceleration not radial.


DG