Backstroke Hinging????
 

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Backstroke Hinging to the Top??? Or Hinging in the Impact Interval Only???

Penny for your thoughts my fellow Koolaid guzzlers . . .

Here are Mr. Kelley's thoughts from the 5th edition:

10-18-C SINGLE LEFT WRIST ACTION - Here, the left Wrist is Cocked but not Turned. The Pivot brings it to a Top position identical with 18-A (Standard). It is normally either -1) Horizontal Hinging or -2) Angled Hinging. In both directions. Because there is no Turn or Roll, ther is NO HAND MOTION - they are always in Impact alignment all during the Stroke (4-D-0). Actually, it can have the Feel of continuous rotation - Turn and Roll - form Start Up through Imapct. And can be a true Single Action suchas 10-6-D.

Now he had a few different thoughts when he revised for the 6th:
10-18-C SINGLE Here, the Left Wrist is Cocked but not Turned. The Action has three alternative procedures:
1. Let the Pivot bring Horizontal Hinging to a normal On Plane “Top” position.
2. Let the Pivot bring Angled Hinging to a normal On Plane “Top” postion.
3. Hold the Wrist – “Vertical” throughout for a True Single Action “Top” position.
Because there is actually NO HAND MOTION during the Stroke, the Clubhead Fix alignment remains undisturbed.

Hinging is the Motion of the ENTIRE Left Arm Flying Wedge and the Hinge Pin is located at the Left Shoulder Perpendicular to one of the 3 Planes of Motion. We focus on the Left Wrist of course in execution of the Hinge Action. However it is the ENTIRE Wedge that Hinges. NOT an independent motion of the left forearm which is of course Swivel.

In addition, Hinging is Rhythm. Based on what we have been told by our fearless and enlightened leader, Captain Collards, Rhythm is of course the 4TH IMPERATIVE.

Note in the 5th, he says IN BOTH DIRECTIONS, TO THE TOP. So there for Hinging can occur in the Backstroke all the way to Top AND via the Pivot? I can see this happening for Angled Hinging. But how does this work for Horizontal Hinging?

So let us look under the hood of Hinge Action . . . Where? Impact Interval only? Backstroke as well? To the Top? AND . . . What roll does the Pivot play in Hinging? Could a focus on Hinging in the Backstroke improve our Rhythm in the all important Impact Interval?

Holla fo a $.

B

I think it has to do with the fact that you must set up your selected hinge action in the backstroke. If you're horizontal hinging, you must swivel your left wrist to the plane going back so that you can have a full roll hinge action. With angled hinging, it's "no roll" going back and "no roll" going through. The backstroke left wrist action must match the downstroke action.

If you "no roll" going back and horizontal hinge (full roll) coming through, you're going to have a hooking problem on your hands. Same idea goes with swiveling going back and "no rolling" coming through - clubface stays open.

So you're not actually Hinging in the backstroke, you're just "getting everything ready."

First of all...Hinging and Swivel are two seperate issues....

Secondly...there is such a thing as...Backstroke Hinging ...the Swivel at start up is NOT it!!!!

Lynn demonstrated this beautifully at the Pine Needles Workshop...

Hinge Action can substitute for wrist action.....


Read and Re-read 10-18-C-1/2/3

Down the Line
 

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How about a down-the -line view at around Section 8-4 and 8-5 showing... 10-18-C 1/2/3 and TOP. (Please)

Bucket....


Great post.....Still waitin to hear from the little green fellow on this one...after all he specifically showed me at Pine Needles....Backstroke Hinging per 10-18-C-1/2/3 versus 10-18-A with the Swivel at Start-Up.....

Seeing is believing....doing takes on ownership or understanding!!!

Really good thread.

Those first few posts should be required reading....

I always was kinda goofed up on Hinging until I read that it was through the Impact Interval only.

I guess I kinda figured out the second part (what Matt just explained) by myself, over time.

Good post Matt.

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BTW Annikan....ur right- Startup Swivel (independent rotation of just the left forearm....) isn't Hinging.

But if you're gonna Hor Hinge through Impact you should have it in the backstroke- unless you want to hit big draws/hooks.

Associated
 

How do you think the left wrist's relationship to it's ASSOCIATED PLANE applies to this discussion?

What do you think Lagster?

I have an idea but am not so sure.