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ChrisNZ 01-24-2006 04:43 AM

more flying wedges
 
The flying wedges are at 90 degrees to one another, but what is their relation to the clubface. Does the clubface match the orientation of the left arm flying wedge, or is it closed to it somewhat (because separation is before low point, when I assume the left arm wedge is perpendicular to the plane line - at low point I mean)?

So many questions - sorry to keep asking so many!:smile:

Chris

tongzilla 01-24-2006 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisNZ
The flying wedges are at 90 degrees to one another, but what is their relation to the clubface. Does the clubface match the orientation of the left arm flying wedge, or is it closed to it somewhat (because separation is before low point, when I assume the left arm wedge is perpendicular to the plane line - at low point I mean)?

So many questions - sorry to keep asking so many!:smile:

Chris

The answer to your question depends on the Grip Type employed.

With a Strong Single Action Grip (10-2-B) , the Leading Edge of the Clubface will be on the same plane as the Left Arm Flying Wedge -- that is the Plane of the Left Wrist Cock.

The Left Arm Flying Wedge should always be perpendicular to one of the three Basic Planes (Horizontal, Vertical or Angled) depending on the selected Hinge Action. With the ideal application, the Left Arm Flying Wedge will be Vertical (or perpendicular) to the ground (Horizontal Plane) at Low Point for all three Hinge Actions.

ChrisNZ 01-24-2006 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tongzilla
The answer to your question depends on the Grip Type employed.

With a Strong Single Action Grip (10-2-B) , the Leading Edge of the Clubface will be on the same plane as the Left Arm Flying Wedge -- that is the Plane of the Left Wrist Cock.

The Left Arm Flying Wedge should always be perpendicular to one of the three Basic Planes (Horizontal, Vertical or Angled) depending on the selected Hinge Action. With the ideal application, the Left Arm Flying Wedge will be Vertical (or perpendicular) to the ground (Horizontal Plane) at Low Point for all three Hinge Actions.

Would that not give an open clubface at separation, assuming that separation occurs prior to low point (which is what I have been assuming - possibly erroneously)?

Also, for a hitter seeking to offset the slice tendency of angled hinging, wouldn't the clubface need to be closed (to the Left Arm Flying Wedge) for the longer clubs?

Thanks,
Chris

tongzilla 01-24-2006 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisNZ
Would that not give an open clubface at separation, assuming that separation occurs prior to low point (which is what I have been assuming - possibly erroneously)?

Like I said in my previous post, I was referring to the ideal application (2-C-1). Therefore Separation happens occurs at Low Point, and we get a perfectly straight shot.

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Originally Posted by ChrisNZ
Also, for a hitter seeking to offset the slice tendency of angled hinging, wouldn't the clubface need to be closed (to the Left Arm Flying Wedge) for the longer clubs?

Yes. But a detailed discussion would require going off topic...maybe someone else can help (?)

ChrisNZ 01-24-2006 04:50 PM

Surely this would have to be very idealised, at least for an iron shot. As low point is usually underground separation would occur once the club had entered the ground, lowering separation clubhead speed.

For a non-idealised application, the further back the ball is played the more the clubface is closed to the left arm wedge? Would the hookface built into clubs have something to do with it also? Perhaps the non-ideal ideal is to align the wedge with the (theoretical) leading edge if the clubface was not hook faced (just a thought which could be very wrong!!!!)

Chris

12 piece bucket 01-24-2006 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisNZ
Surely this would have to be very idealised, at least for an iron shot. As low point is usually underground separation would occur once the club had entered the ground, lowering separation clubhead speed.

For a non-idealised application, the further back the ball is played the more the clubface is closed to the left arm wedge? Would the hookface built into clubs have something to do with it also? Perhaps the non-ideal ideal is to align the wedge with the (theoretical) leading edge if the clubface was not hook faced (just a thought which could be very wrong!!!!)

Chris

2-J-1 IMPACT ALIGNMENTS The geometry of all alignments stems form the Impact geometry requirements. So, the first step in preparation for a Golf Shot is the establishment of the Impact Conditions. See 7-8. The Clubface must be exactly square to the Target Line (10-5) only at the Point of Separation. So the Clubface alignment at Impact Fix must fit the selected Hinge Action (7-10, 10-10). For Horizontal Hinging, it is Slightly “Open” at Impact Fix to allow for “Closing” during Impact. The longer the shot, the more “Open.” Angle Hinging gives the Clubface a Slice producing uncentered motion so while the Clubface does “Close” during Impact, Clubface alignment is slightly “Open” for short shots but for longer shots it must be set up more and more “Closed.” The alignment for Vertical Hinging and Cut Shots are the same at Impact Fix as it is intended to be at Separation because these are “No Roll” procedures. Alternative alignment procedures are presented in 7-10. The Machine (1-L) is positioned and adjusted to the Stroke – not vice versa (8-0). Remember – the Impact Point must become “On Line” at Separation.


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