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lagster 04-15-2006 01:40 AM

Greenside Bunker
 
Let's get some ideas on how players control the TRAJECTORY or their BUNKER SHOTS.

> SUPER HIGH THAT COMES DOWN AND STOPS

> MEDIUM TRAJECTORY

> LOW SKIPPER WITH SPIN

> LOW RUNNER

* These are all from fairly good lies. If someone wants to explain how to strike all of these from Burried Lies, and Fried Eggs... go ahead.

golfbulldog 04-26-2006 03:42 AM

Here is a start... but not really sure - just experimenting with my vertical hinge !
 
> SUPER HIGH THAT COMES DOWN AND STOPS

This is probably along the "cut lob" lines.From my reading this can be categorised as

Ball Position = Low point
Plane line = Open to target
Stance line = Open to target ( ?presume parallel to plane line)
Clubface = Square to target
Hinge Action = vertical

> MEDIUM TRAJECTORY

More lob style ?

Ball position = low point
plane line = square to target
stance line = maybe tiny bit open
clubface = square to target
Hinge action = vertical

> LOW SKIPPER WITH SPIN

More cut ( ie. ball back in stance but open stance?)

Ball position = central
Plane line = Open to target
Stance line = Open to target
Clubface = Square to target
Hinge action = Angled

> LOW RUNNER

This I have played many times... just never when it was really meant to come out running!! My thoughts on the possible variables (ie. ball position, plane or stance line etc) are that vertical Hinge action definitely gives the ball backspin and height and SOFT landing so I think it will be similar to low skipper but with ?horizontal hinge? to get a bit of draw spin? ? hmm not sure - too many variables!!

What influence do each of the following variables have on the shot : Ball position ,plane line ,stance line, clubface,Hinge action ? Please

Matt 04-26-2006 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by golfbulldog
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What influence do each of the following variables have on the shot : Ball position ,plane line ,stance line, clubface,Hinge action ? Please

When I'm in bunkers, I try to just "feel out" the shot. A higher, shorter shot will naturally feel like a more vertical hinge action and a more open face at address. Ball position is also critical - you can guarantee that you hit behind the ball by playing it ahead of low point. Stance line is mostly a comfort thing as we know it has no effect on plane line. But if you open the plane line you often open the stance line as well.

Back a few summers ago, I practiced my short game diligently several times a week. I'd go out and work around the practice green for a while and then hit some bunker shots. Something I stumbled upon to at that time is how elbow position affects the shot. I couldn't really explain it then and I'm not sure I could now either. Basically I would set up for a "stock" bunker shot (open face, open plane line, ball at low point or slightly ahead) and then really focus on maintaining a pitch elbow. Take it back with the right forearm while keeping my right elbow in front of me and then drive my elbow down at the ball. I suppose it's a form of longer trigger delay but regardless the ball would pop out so nicely. I could get in grooves where I'd hit 20 in a row perfectly.

Fried eggs and buried lies are really not that hard to get out of the bunker but getting them under control is difficult. I'd set up with an open plane line again and open and lay back the clubface at address. The face is almost parallel to the ground here. Then I'd swing down as hard as I possibly could - and since the face was wide open the ball would come out high but with little spin. I really don't like the conventional wisdom of closing down the face because you're really asking for the ball to shoot out over the green. Getting the face wide open and swinging very hard has worked well for me.

jim_0068 04-26-2006 06:18 PM

SUPER HIGH THAT COMES DOWN AND STOPS

-open stance
-open clubface
-vertical hinge
-with throwaway

MEDIUM TRAJECTORY

-same as above
-minus the vertical hinge
-add angled hinge
-minus throwaway

LOW SKIPPER WITH SPIN

-open stance
-open clubface
-hit much closer to the ball
-angled hinge

LOW RUNNER

-square stance
-square face
-make a LEADING EDGE "sand divot" not a "bounce divot."
-add some accumulator #3 (roll) through the sand if you need it to go further.

lagster 05-01-2006 11:27 AM

Bunker Poll
 
Do we want CONTROLLED THROWAWAY WITH GREENSIDE BUNKER SHOTS?

YES

NO

DEPENDS

golfbulldog 05-01-2006 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lagster
Do we want CONTROLLED THROWAWAY WITH GREENSIDE BUNKER SHOTS?

YES

NO

DEPENDS

17th hole St Andrews - Road hole Bunker under lip - exceptional height and soft stop required - possibly use throwawaybut this is the exceptionaj shot rather than norm.

VJ and Yoda in their gallery discuss bent left wrist as required in maybe 1 in 100 shots

birdie_man 05-01-2006 05:47 PM

I say sometimes yes.

jim_0068 05-01-2006 09:25 PM

Depends...


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