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10-4-d Four Barrel

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Originally Posted by sonny

I"ve studied TGM for 3 years and extensively with THE FIRST AUthorized instructor BEN DOYLE , who is an absolute genuis but he teachs a poor stroke pattern (Standard) but thats what HOMER wanted . SONNY

The primary reason Homer put the Four Accumulator "Maximum Motion" Hypothetical Stroke Pattern in the 3rd edition is because that's what Ben taught. Not the other way around. When Homer took it out...sparks flew. For the truth about what Homer really wanted, see the Hitting and Swinging Basic Stroke Patterns (12-1-0 and 12-2-0) in the 4th, 5th, 6th and the as yet unpublished 7th editions.

Barrel Discussion BM#153

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Originally Posted by Triad

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Originally Posted by Mathew

Its the sequence unloading of the accumulators(hands and arms).... this
should be unchanged but may overlap (merge in otherwords)...

Don't believe it matters if your swinging or hitting...

For Swingers, the recommended application is 4,2,3 in sequential order.
Accumulator #1, the Muscle Power of the driving right forearm, is typicaly
passive in the Swingers stroke.

Hitters might typicaly use 1,2,3 simultaneously but do not generaly use the
gyroscopic Body power of the #4.

I guess this might be a good opportunity to begin our discussion of whether
it is possible or advisable to have a True 4 Barrel sroke :oops:

The Four Barrel Stroke is for Hitters only. Three Barrel is the maximum for
Swingers. The sequence always begins with #4 -- nothing can happen until the
Left Arm moves. Then #1, #2, #3 for Hitters. Swingers omit #1 because
Centrifugal Force drives the Club, not Muscular Thrust. So, their remaining
sequence is #2, #3.

Though both Hitters and Swingers use the Right Shoulder -- the Driver of the
#4 Accumulator -- they use it differently. Swingers use it to 'crank
the Gyroscope' and blast the essentially inert Left Arm off the chest. After
taking up the initial Clubhead inertia -- the 'slack' -- Hitters use
the Right Shoulder as a Launching Pad from which to Drive the Bent Right Arm
toward Impact.

Merits of 4 Barrel Stroke BM#154

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Originally Posted by Triad

Master,

Have you now changed your earlier position that the 4 Barrel stroke is
unattainable/inadvisable but reserved this option solely for the more
'sophisticated' motion of the Hitter?

Triad

I have always recommended the Four Barrel Stroke for Full Power -- but only
for Hitters. Any post you saw recommending a Three Barrel maximum applied
only to Swingers. There were many posts on other sites earlier this year --
almost all relating to the Theoretical Four Accumulator 'Maximum
Participation' Stroke Pattern in TGM's Third Edition. In those sequenced
posts, qualifiers as to the Swinger/Hitter distinction almost certainly were
omitted.

If you want a Four Barrel Swing, fine. In Homer's words, "Fly at
it." But...here's the true TGM bottom Line:

Hitter -- Four Barrel Maximum.

Swinger -- Three Barrel Maximum.

Like it or not, this was Homer Kelley's stated (and recorded) position.

In a nutshell:

The Hitter's Bent Right Arm is driven by Muscular Thrust and
Pushes the Club through Impact. The Swinger's essentially inert
Left Arm is Driven by Centrifugal Force and Pulls the
Club through Impact. You cannot Push the Club through Impact with Right
Arm Muscular Thrust and Pull the Club through Impact with Left
Arm Centrifugal Force at the same time.

Over time, Homer came to see that very clearly, and he was adamant in his denunciation
of the Four Barrel Swing. He was equally adamant in his recommendation
of the Four Barrel Hit, providing the Right Shoulder was used
properly (as discussed in my prior post).

For me, having been down this road before, this is 'end of story.' I refuse
to debate it further, on this site or anywhere else. So, 'have at it' if you
will, but I'll watch from the grandstand.

This is an incredibly important post, and I sincerely -- and without ego
-- hope you guys appreciate it.

Meanwhile...

Pass the peanuts and crackerjacks, please.

:oops:

Four Barrel CE#14

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Originally Posted by Range Rat

Yoda,

Is the above 4 Barrel Stroke pattern from the 3rd edition, a hitting pattern with swinging components? Is this a valid pattern variation for 3 barrel swingers.

Range Rat

The Pattern is purely a Swinging Pattern with the addition of the Hitter's First Barrel (6-B-1-0) per 10-4-D and 2-M-3.

And, yes, it is a valid Pattern for the 3-Barrel Swinger seeking to add the 4th Barrel to his Component #4 Variation. Further, with the exception of the #4 Component, it is a valid Pattern for all other 3-Barrel Swingers as well, particularly those seeking maximum motion and minimum Component restriction in their Stroke.

I'll have much more to say on this very interesting topic in reply to your excellent post Thursday, January 22, on the forum "Larry Nelson Meets The Golfing Machine. Stay tuned!

Looking for Mr. Goodbar CE#25

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Originally Posted by hue

YODA
In real terms if you had a 4-barrel player go to a 3-barrel action and master it to the same level of competence. In your opinion, what would be the loss of distance with the driver be if he became a 3-barrel player, if say the guy could crank it out 300 yards with a 4-barrel action? Thanks.

This is a great question and a great post.

The answer is that the Three-Barrel guy would find his ball 290 on the sprinkler heads. The 300-yard Four Barreler likely would be four yards ahead and surrounded by a group of his closest friends...all in the rough..and all still looking... :oops:

P.S. Attention All Four-Barrellers: Do not forget that a lot of what you think you are feeling as Right Arm Thrust...or Drive...or Right Hand through the Ball...or WHATEVER...is nothing more than your very powerful Right Shoulder driving the #4 Accumulator through the Right Forearm Flying Wedge through the Ball.

You may feel the 'Power' in your Right Arm or Hand...but the Source is your Right Shoulder. Larry Nelson told me this personally fifteen years ago, and he knows zilch about The Golfing Machine. He IS a Golfing Machine. Think about it.