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6-M-1Downstroke Sequence

Quote:

Originally Posted by DDL

I don't feel the active right shoulder thrust or cranking up the gyroscope.
At transition, I feel a stretching of my left arm across my chest and pull on
pp2. I slow down the transition enough so I can also feel the weight of the
clubhead on pp3....subtle feeling, not nearly as stong as the other stretches
and pulls I am feeling.

Feels like my left shoulder and arm and hand is doing the pulling.My left arm
does not feel inert. I trust it that mechanically, even though it feels like
a left side pull, it is actually a right shoulder thrust and left arm blast
off the chest. This is while I am concentrating on the path of the hands ,
aiming it towards the ball with my pivot.

Whenever I try to consciously thrust my right shoulder downward, everything
gets all screwed up.

What you are feeling is the Downstroke Release Sequence of 6-M-1. If your
'conscious Thrust' of the Right Shoulder interrupts that Sequence, trouble is
sure to follow. However, in its proper order and under the Control of the
Hands, Turning the Right Shoulder 'directly toward the Ball' is a
Swing Thought that works.

I know for a fact that it won at least one United States Open Championship.

Sequence and X Classification procedures BM#48

Quote:

Originally Posted by MizunoJoe

I have swing procedures which DO NOT use right shoulder thrust to "crank
the gyroscope". It is possible to pull down the hands independently of
the shoulders, and then as the hands near the release point, pull up with the
entire left side. Of course, the right shoulder drops, but only because it is
not allowed to go out, and is not the CAUSITIVE ACTION, but is a REACTION to
the left shoulder pulling up.

You are entitled to your 'X' Classification procedure. When its limitations
are finally realized and you seek liberation from your self-imposed
labyrinth, turn to the science of 2-N-1-A, the Downstroke Sequence
of 6-M-1, and the procedure of 6-B-4-A/B/C.

Sequencing Problems and Pulling BM#54

Quote:

Originally Posted by MizunoJoe

Check out this member of the "X-Classification" club at http://www.megspace.com/sports/moeto...side_clip.html

Let's not forget what Homer said - "I don't care what you pull with,
just pull".

Are you saying that Sergio is using the procedure you described above, i.e.,
his Hands during the Start Down are being Accelerated independent of the
Shoulder Turn (and therefore out of the correct 6-M-1 Downstroke Sequence
and the Pivot Stroke Delivery of 6-K-0, not to mention placing the Period of
Hand Acceleration [Section 8-8] in front of the Period of Shoulder
Acceleration [Section 8-7]) followed by a Left Shoulder Upward
Acceleration (away from the Plane Line) near Release that
causes the Right Shoulder to move Down but not Out (toward the
Plane Line)?

Sorry, Mizuno Joe. Mercifully for Sergio, that ain't happenin'. What is
happenin' is the Maximum Power application of 6-B-4-A combined with
the Maximum Trigger Delay of 6-B-4-C. All coordinated beautifully with
his Double Wrist Cock, Plane Shift, Sway and Bob, of course, but that's
another story.

As far as not forgetting what Homer said...not to worry:

He said it to me.

Sequencing . . . BM#56

Quote:

Originally Posted by MizunoJoe

What I'm saying is that when his hands are on his right thigh, his shoulders
are still almost level. He has dropped his hands behind himself with #2
accumulator intact, and HAS dropped them independently of the right shoulder.
His FIRST move is the hands dropping downward, and the right shoulder does
move DOWN, but as a consequence, and not the cause, of the hands dropping.

He's not doing what you are saying MUST be done. Another deviation from your
"4th imperative", and hence the "X-Classification".

The Plane and Shoulder Turn Components are coordinate but independent.
Therefore, Sergio's Plane Shift does not mean he has deviated from the
correct Downstroke Release Sequence of 6-M-1. Further, Catalogued
Component Variations -- such as Plane Angle (Basic or Customized) -- do not
warrant the "X" Classification (by definition).

Nevertheless, whatever value you see -- or think you see -- in this Pattern,
you are more than welcome to it. And its limitations. But don't think
you can produce it using the Procedure you discussed, because it is
simply not possible.

Finally, I am not saying that the Downstroke Sequence 'MUST' be adhered to.
In fact, every Hacker deviates daily as he dutifully earns his high,
double-digit handicap. I AM saying that the Pivot operates as a Gear Train
that effectively extends the Radius of the Stroke to the Feet (6-C-0).
When that Gear Train is broken -- almost always unintentionally via Faulty
Sequencing -- then the Stroke Radius ends at that point and Precision (and
almost always Power) evaporates. As evidenced by his prodigious distance, I
assure you that Sergio's Stroke Radius from the Top is much longer than from
his Hands to the Clubhead.

One last housekeeping item. There are only Three Imperatives in The
Golfing Machine. Your reference to the '4th Imperative' is your own
description of the Downstroke Sequence, not mine (as attributed by you). The
Sequence is dictated essentially by Centrifugal Force but can be manipulated
for special effects as the player's skill permits. For the record, its idea
is incapsulated in the Second Imperative, the Clubhead Lag Pressure
Point.

Sequence out of sequence BM#63

Quote:

Originally Posted by MizunoJoe

I did NOT say that Sergio is using the swing procedure which I descibed
above. I AM saying that Sergio does not "crank the gyroscope". The
causal move in his swing is not a driving downplane of his right shoulder,
which is obvious from the video. Just as Glasson's causal move is something
different also. His casual move is, IN HIS OWN WORDS, a pulling up of the
left shoulder. That is not an EFFECT as you claim. Were the causal move a
driving downplane of the right shoulder, he would have been aware of it and
said so! Gary Player also says his first downswing move is a pulling up of
the left shoulder. My comment that Sergio is an "X-Classification"
honoree is not that he is doing exactly as I described in my own procedure,
but rather that he isn't doing as you say must be done for swinging -
cranking the gyroscope. So there are two more members of the X-Rated club, in
addition to Sergio. Here's another - T Woods of 1996. When asked to describe
what his upper body did on the downswing, he said, "My hands drop",
not "I drive my right shoulder downplane". He coiled fully, moving
off the ball, and then drove hard laterally back to the ball, while his hands
fell and his right shoulder stayed back, and he then violently rotated his
hips, which triggered the shoulder rotation. The thing that jumped out at me
as I saw this swing up close, was the left shoulder dominance - high at
address and very active(pulling up through impact).

My statement was, 'your "4th imperative"', indicating YOUR
requirement that all swingers must drive the right shoulder downplane. I
accept Homer's prescription of only 3 imperatives. A valid swinging procedure
is ANYTHING you want to do as long as the club is moved ONLY by a force along
the shaft AND obeys the 3 imperatives.

MizunoJoe,

I have read with admiration many of your posts. You are a seeker who
obviously understands far more than most the intricacies of the Golf Stroke.
In all sincerity, I commend you to your continued study.

On this issue, though, you are not seeing what you obviously think you
see. The Start Down and Downstroke of the world's most talented players highlights
the never-ending mission of Centrifugal Force: Pull all the Components of
the Golf Stroke into a Straight Line. You are mistaking the noisy
'collateral activity' for the 'real deal.'

I know you have not recommended Sergio's Pattern as a model. However, for
those who may think that the posting of his video constitutes your
endorsement, I urge them to adopt a Pattern that minimizes the need to
compensate for the many conflicting forces that even the world's most
talented players can (and do) generate in their Strokes.

Gear Train BM#68

Quote:

Originally Posted by MizunoJoe

Try this - coil fully, then keeping your right shoulder back, rotate your
hips, the right shoulder heads toward the ball. It was an effect of doing
other things.

That's it, Mizuno Joe! The Gear Train. You've got it!

Sequencing BM#71

Quote:

Originally Posted by MizunoJoe

Yoda,

OK, then try this - coil fully, then keeping your right shoulder back,
laterally shift your hips toward the target while your hands drop, the right
shoulder heads toward the ball. It was an effect of doing other things.

As the third 'Center' of the Gear Train (after the Feet and Knees) , the Hip
Turn Leads the Lagging fourth Center, the Shoulder Turn. It thereby initiates
its Acceleration. We have no disagreement on that point.

From there, the Shoulders Pull the Arms; the Arms Pull the Hands (dropping
or not); and the Hands Pull the Club. In contrast, your position (as
explained in prior posts) is that the Hands drop and that this causes the
Shoulders to move. This is inconsistent not only with the correct
Downstroke Sequence as defined in 6-M-1 of The Golfing Machine, but
also with the operation of Centrifugal Force that is responsible for that
Sequence.