Horizontal Hinging
 

I am a swinger according to GSED Alex Sloan and GSEM VJ Trolio and my own feeling. Do I have to have a conscious roll of the arms for a horizontal hinge? Is centrifugal force from the turning torso enough. If I use forearm roll I hit big hooks.

Any Suggestions?
Thanks
MJCB

FWIW

My view is:

You pre-program these things. Trust the process.

As non technical as it sounds you probably need to be btn the 2 things u mention.

Pre program the horizontal hinge then allow it to happen - no concious roll needed nor desired.

This is what comes to mind.

Here is an excercise my GSED gave me. I had a million thoughts when I saw him :)

Have at it - and hit it as far left as you possibly can (kill the ball) - then hit it even more left.

What u will find is you can hit it way left with a ton of "zing".

Once u are satisfied with that:

Hit it as far right as u can.

Then even more right.

Do whatever u need to do to do this -change yr stance etc ( if u feel u need to)

What u will find is there is a limit to how far u can hit it right.

all of the above assumes the imperitives are in play ie. non of the above means that u will polish the ball - u can compress it with any of the above

Then combine the 2 - result will be a powerfull relatively straight shot.

Hopefully 1 of our experts can tell us more abt what is "behind" the above excercise.

Chris

mjcb,

1-With a Swinger's Horizontal Hinging, the clubface needs to be open at impact, closing as the hinge completes.

2- The hinge action is very small compared to the action of the roll and swivel. The left hand fine tunes.

3- Practice adjustments at address as cj mentioned because CF used by a Swinger will uncock and roll accumulators #2 & #3 quite well. I would think LESS about rolling the arms as I would finishing the pivot into follow through.

Basically no, just worry about making the stroke if you're a Swinger and horizontal hinging will take care of itself.

If you're a Pure Swinger, CF takes care of it. If you're a Hands Manipulated Swinger, you consciously control Hinging with your Left Wrist.

Don't let him fool you guys, MJCB hits it great, having played with him this past fall he did angle hinge a few times, but everything else was on the money.
His bad shots were more manipulation than his good, just a little steering. He has a wonderful stroke!!!


Todd

Can any of you shed any light on the excercise my GSED had me doing.

He was probably having you determine for yourself what horizontal hinging is. If you overroll, it goes left. If you don't roll enough, it goes right. The amount of roll that makes it fly straight is the FEEL for you to replicate and tell yourself "this is what a horizontal hinge feels like."

This is assuming you are a swinger and want to be using horizontal hinging.

TGM can be simple once you Master it....
 

Just follow 1-L #13 and 14 the motion is down and out....just look at section 1-L where does it say to roll with your right forearm. Really the moves are simple...down and out!!! see page 225 top paragraph....that one paragraph says a lot...big time wisdom from Homer in that one paragraph....

Just perform some short pitch shots no more than your acquired motion per 12-5-2.....use right forearm takeaway (three dimenisonal takeaway, back, up and inward) with full sweep loading, ALLOW your left wrist to rotate clockwise....it will NATURALLY.....at the end of your short backswing use a sweep release with a three dimensional impact per 7-3 THE MAGIC OF THE FOREARM to release the club....just think down and out per 1-L 13 and 14. Use can use standard wrist action, pitch basic stroke.....or use single wrist action and a punch basic stroke....just remember to keep your mind in your hands....trace the angle of approach delivery line with your right forearm and keep your hands on the straight line delivery path. Simple as that....:)

DG

What You Feel May Not Be What You Get
 

Welcome aboard, Mark, and thanks for posting!

The average golfer Steers the Club (3-F-7-A) and actually Reverse Rolls his Arms and Hands through Impact in an attempt to hold the Clubface Square to the Target Line. Therefore, he often needs to be taught the 'natural' rotation of the Arms. But at your expert level, such a conscious rotation will likely produce a Swivel Action (not a Hinge Action) and cause the Hooks you have experienced. In other words, you already are Rolling sufficiently, whether you Feel it or not.

As an example, Byron Nelson, felt he used no rotation of his Hands and Arms through Impact. Yet, when photos were taken in 1946 for his first book, Winning Golf, he was horrified to see not only the full Roll of Horizontal Hinging, but also a complete Finish Swivel! So what did he do? He simply refused to allow even one Follow-Through photo in the book! The Address and Backstroke are well documented, as is The Top and The Downstroke to Impact. But from there on there is nothing until his graceful pose at the Finish. That solved the problem for Byron, but it sure didn't help his Steering, Reverse Rolling readers!

Bottom Line: There is what you feel...and what you actually do! And what you are doing is obviously good enough.