moving along the elbow plane line on the BS
 

I was looking at some pro swings from the down-the-line view. I drew a line from the ball through the rear elbow.

I noticed that many pros get the clubhead and shaft onto that plane soon after their swing starts.

After their trailing elbow continues to bend (and as the backswing proceeds to the top of the backswing), it seems that the clubhead and shaft shifts above that line drawn through the elbow.

Is there anything wrong with keeping the clubhead and shaft on that "elbow plane" instead of moving above it? Or would this mean that the elbow and every thing is moving too far "in" and not enough "up"?

Thanks,

Elbow
 

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You are correct. Staying on the Elbow Plane all the way to the Top would be very unusual. Dana Quigley is the only guy I can think of that may come close. According to the book it can be used, however, for a full stroke pattern. "IT IS THE "flattest" NORMAL PLANE THAT WILL STILL ALLOW THE RIGHT FOREARM TO BE ON PLANE DURING IMPACT." (10-6-A)

Wouldn't the "original shaft plane" be the flattest plane
that "WILL STILL ALLOW THE RIGHT FOREARM TO BE ON PLANE DURING IMPACT."

Anyway,
I noticed that over the last 6 months, my clubhead and clubshaft are on that line for a long long time (on the backswing).

Is there something "wrong" with this? Am I doing something incorrectly, or will I need some kind of compensating move?

Thanks

No, because the right forearm isn't on plane at address at the "hands only" plane.

noproblemos...you need to relearn what the definition of plane really is. It doesn't matter if you shift, use 4 planes, or whatever. The key is that you try and keep one end of the club always pointing to the plane line unless it's parallel to it.

Ever see how plane lasers work? It's the same idea.

Me personally, i use a combination of shoulder turn takeaway and right forearm pickup for a backswing that goes along the elbow plane that shifts to the turned shoulder plane and back down to the elbow plane again.

Now on video, that would look "under plane" because it would go under the shaft plane at the start. However if you had a plane laser pointing at the sweet spot i'd still be tracing a darn near straight line.

Elbow
 

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IF YOU ARE PLAYING WELL, AND STRIKING THE BALL WELL USING THE ELBOW PLANE ON THE ENTIRE BACKSWING... IT IS FINE. IF THIS PROCEDURE IS ACCOMPANIED BY AN EFFECTIVE DOWNSWING PLANE, IT IS ESPECIALLY FINE.

IF YOU ARE HAVING SOME PROBLEMS WITH THE DOWNSWING... YOU PROBABLY SHOULD FIND A WORKABLE WAY FOR YOURSELF TO ELEVATE THE ARMS IN THE BACKSWING, AND AT LEAST GET TO A TURNED SHOULDER POSITION AT THE TOP. THIS WOULD PUT THE HANDS MORE IN A CONVENTIONAL TOP POSITION.

How does one ELEVATE the arms?

>Raise the arms with MUSCLE POWER... TGM says DELTOIDS.(Right Forearm Pickup)

>By turning the SHOULDER... which is actually the TORSO.(Shoulder Turn Takeaway)

>By tossing or "heaving" the arms UP(this is a Gravity Golf procedure, but can work)

** The way I would recommend trying first is to... find the PLACE(point) you want the HANDS to be at the TOP. Then, simply think of taking you hands to that point. There is a blend of BACK, UP, AND IN to that POINT.

Maybe others will chime in with their suggestions, and for how they do this.

Thanks Jim
Thanks Lagster

I will try these suggestions.

(BTW, these days, when I look at video, I noticed that I was on that elbow plane soon after start-up and all the way to follow-through). I just don't see any good players doing that. I will work on it, though.