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Hands and Feets and Pivot Lag

OK Mike O (teacher's pet) . . . I have been to the board and wrote my sent-tence 500 times.

Now . . .

How do the Hands tell the Footsies what to do? And can the Hands produce Pivot Lag?

I know you are a master of the Hands Controlled Pivot as well as other things such as . . . . DECAPITATION!!!! Ahhh!!!!!!

I tried to post yesterday but I guess it didn't work due to a computer problem that I have since fixed.

I wanted to say that by the weekend I'll be able to post to this- been busy- but 12 piece would help if you could isolate the area of discussion. What problems does this create for you in understanding? What items seem to contradict this idea? Or maybe you understand it but aren't sure if there is something more? Let me know what you're thinking- and that goes for anyone else also- problems with this concept?:confused1 .

Thanks,

Mike

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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket

I know you are a master of the Hands Controlled Pivot as well as other things such as . . . . DECAPITATION!!!! Ahhh!!!!!!

The true test....is if you can rip a man's head off by using nothing but your bare hands....!

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Originally Posted by birdie_man

The true test....is if you can rip a man's head off by using nothing but your bare hands....!

Mike O can rip a man's head off with nothing but his . . . breath.

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Originally Posted by Mike O

Well I reckon I'll give it a stab . . . I was trying to make a connection between the walking machine (walking robot) and The Golfing Machine (human type being type entity). But I wasn't smart enough. As bad as I hate to give you credit for anything good . . . your stuff on the Hands Controlled Pivot is amazing. I think that Mr. K was very much on to something . . . you may be "on something" but on to something too. I'm not smart enought to make the connection but I feel that there is something there.

I think we "bring the world to ourselves" mostly via our hands and eyes (feet too I guess). But when people walk their hands "swing." When they run their hands come up more to their chest and "pump." So I don't know if we got the chicken egg type thing going or what. But in walking (locomtion) our intention is to MOVE SOMEWHERE. But when we hit a golf tater, our intention is to MOVE SOMETHING WITH SOMETHING WE HOLD IN OUR HANDS. Kinda like Mr. K talking about "picking up a cup."

So I reckon if you move you hands or intend to move your hands in a certain manner you as a result would produce more "pivot lag?" Or "Swinging from the Feet" produces the maximum radius and as a result reduces inevitable deceleration . . . do our hands have anything to do with that?

Ramble on . . . sing my song . . .

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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket

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I think Mr. 12 Piece has pretty much gotten the idea. As I understand this... biomechanically the MOTION OF THE HANDS, in many athletic endeavors, causes the BODY to react in certain ways that complement the whole motion. The example often given is of a baseball pitcher. He moves his hand to throw, and his feet, knees, hips, and shoulders react to the MOTION of the HAND. A golf swing would be similar.

Now... to me golf is a slightly different animal. Obviously, if a player usually shoots in the 60s while monitoring his FOOT(or shoulder, etc.), and usually shoots in the 80s while monitoring his HANDS... the FOOT is the way to go. We know that a good golf swing is swung from the FEET. If the player can monitor the HANDS and get this done, that is great. If he swings and plays better while monitoring a PIVOT COMPONENT, he should do that, if only for a while, until the BODY motion is automatic.

Mr. MikeO knows much about this topic.

Procedure for walking, Hand Controlled Pivot.

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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket

I think we "bring the world to ourselves" mostly via our hands and eyes (feet too I guess). But when people walk their hands "swing." When they run their hands come up more to their chest and "pump." So I don't know if we got the chicken egg type thing going or what. But in walking (locomtion) our intention is to MOVE SOMEWHERE.

Actually, a Procedure involves moving the body part that is in contact with the object we’re trying to move. In the case for walking, we are moving the Earth (but because the mass of the Earth is so much larger than the mass of a person, the Earth doesn’t budge – but we do!) with our feet (the contact point).
So, the Procedure for walking can be summed up as -- starting from both feet level, move your right foot forwards, push off the ground with your right foot, then move your other foot in front of your right foot and push off.
If you do this very slowly, you will not have this split second of being "off-balance" like how all normal people walk. It's almost like you're stomping on the ground with one foot, anchoring into the ground, then stomping the ground with your other foot. Not very elegant, and you won't walk very fast. Toddlers walk like that; they take one step at a time. Now, if you want to walk faster, your Procedure will stay the same, but now you learn to walk more like a normal person. You learn (subconsciously thank God!) how to balance yourself in between steps so you don't have to take "one step at a time". You learn to move one foot in front of the other faster. You learn to take bigger steps. You learn to push off harder, and you feel more pressure on your feet as you take each step (Pressure Points / Lag Pressure). But are you focusing on how your torso is twisting or how your arms are swinging? No. And us Machine Heads know that Balance belongs to Zone #1: The Pivot. And movement of the swinging arms helps us to balance too.

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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket

So I reckon if you move you hands or intend to move your hands in a certain manner you as a result would produce more "pivot lag?" Or "Swinging from the Feet" produces the maximum radius and as a result reduces inevitable deceleration . . . do our hands have anything to do with that?

The fact is that if you want to make an athletic and dynamic motion through the ball (i.e. generating your maximum clubhead speed), you must begin the Downstroke Train with your feet, then your knees, then your hips, etc. You hands have the intention of starting down – i.e. you attempt to start down with your hands. But it won’t let itself start down unless it has received sufficient Lag Pressure. And it won’t get that Lag Pressure unless you start down with your feet.

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Originally Posted by tongzilla

Nice post. How about the integration of the arms and hands into walking and running. Someone that runs with their arms straight down at their side has no chance.

Keep in mind that when a baby learns to walk . . . he first learns to CRAWL . . . and thus the movement of the hands and feet are coordinated. I don't know the connection but I got two kids and people always have said that it is better for them to crawl first rather pulling up cruising and skipping crawling all together. So I think the hands are very much integral to the process of walking and running.

There's probably stuff written on this . . . I'll check it out.

Good post though Boss.

Great Post Leo...:salut:

The fundamental 'root' of learning either (walking or swinging a club) is balance.

Learn balance, guided by your feet and hands.

"The feel is in the hands and feet" - Bob Toski