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12 piece bucket 09-27-2006 05:03 PM

What Component is Most Responsible for FORWARD?
 
And should you ever think about FORWARD?

Martee 09-27-2006 07:14 PM

Arm Rotation - responsible for the Backward, Upward, Downward and Forward motion. In other words the Horizontal and Vertical motion.

Shoulder Rotation - responsible for the Inward and Outward motion, In otherwords the incline or angle motion, the motion across the Vertical and Horizontal.

Only if you want a 3 dimensional golf stroke...

Matt 09-27-2006 07:39 PM

Don't even think about it.

The fact that at some point your lever assembly passes your left shoulder is enough to make it happen. It has no choice but to move forward.

nuke99 09-27-2006 07:47 PM

I think it does more harm to a hacker thinking forward. already too much of Forward.

Out out is more important . Meanwhile axis tilt takes care of down.

12 piece bucket 09-27-2006 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt
Don't even think about it.

The fact that at some point your lever assembly passes your left shoulder is enough to make it happen. It has no choice but to move forward.

Short Post but one that is as strong as TRAIN SMOKE!!!

So essentially you are driving the Lever Assemblies and club DOWNPLANE . . . Which if you were to imagine yourself standing in the hole of that clear plastic plane thingie that Mr. K built would be TO THE RIGHT OF YOU and DIAGONALLY SLICING your body somewheres betwixt the shoulder and hip right?

Good post!

Martee 09-27-2006 08:52 PM

Not to be picky but for the primary assembly to pass the left shoulder, that would mean you have completed the follow through.

Homer defined the down stroke as DOWNward (Attack Angle) and OUTward (Plane Angle) AND FORward (Apporach Angle). All Three MOTIONS are the product of the influence of the Inclined Plane on the down stroke forces.

The arms the component where the forward motion comes from...

Matt 09-27-2006 09:29 PM

The average golfer would be best served by not thinking FORWARD at all. All it does it invite steering and swinging towards the target.

My clubhead travels forward. But do I move it forward? If I don't try to move it forward, will it move backwards? Of course not.

Down, yes.

Out, yes.

And that's all I focus on.

12 piece bucket 09-27-2006 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt
The average golfer would be best served by not thinking FORWARD at all. All it does it invite steering and swinging towards the target.

My clubhead travels forward. But do I move it forward? If I don't try to move it forward, will it move backwards? Of course not.

Down, yes.

Out, yes.

And that's all I focus on.

This may be a goofball question . . .but how does it go OUT without going forward? I reckon OUT to the ball or aiming point but not Forward toward the target?

Martee 09-27-2006 10:17 PM

Obviously I misunderstood the question.

What Component is the Most Responsible for FORWARD?

And should you ever think about it?

The Down and Out thought is probably valid for those who think about this while swing. They also probably are still thinking about the clubhead and that is where your steering really comes into play. JMO.

Understanding that the golf stroke is 3-Dimensional is for most a novel concept. Look at the golf instruction books over the past years, this concept is rarely written about.

I think understanding the Shoulder and Arm's role in the 3 dimensional golf stroke would do well to over come the incorrect focus. JMO.

Matt 09-27-2006 10:26 PM

OUT is "where you're facing" as you swing. Down is into the ground. Forward is towards the target. The three dimensions. I could, theoretically, move the clubhead DOWN and OUT only. The clubhead would move perpendicular to the plane line. Now how hard would that be to do in the real world?

Really hard. Which is why you're going to move the club forward whether you think about it...or whether you don't!

Martee - I agree that the concept of three dimensions is absolutely integral to understanding the golf stroke. The vast majority of the Golfing World doesn't understand it, never will, and doesn't care. We know about it and are cognizant of it (either consciously or subconsciously) every time we make a stroke. That said, I think that once the concept is developed within the Computer we can then omit the "forward" component from our conscious thought.

I don't know if there is a component that is most responsible for "forward." I believe, as I've discussed, that it's more a factor within the geometry of the circle. It's a geometry issue, not a physics issue. Sure, physics is what explains the forces that propel the "forward" dimension, but geometry is what sets it up to begin with. Without the correct geometric structure we will have no "forward."


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