[300Drive]

seems it would be hard to execute horizontal hinging and NOT have finish swivel....its almost a continuation of the horizontal hinging, to me anyway.

Still, in some other post Yoda talked about turn and roll, turn and roll, turn and roll, to ingrain the feel of left arm rotating on the BS and rotating on the DS. Seems to me that turn and roll is at least minimized to almost nothing, (or simply not needed at all), with a strong grip.