Questions on swivel and flying wedges

[tongzilla]

Yoda,

1) what’s the difference between a turn/roll of the left wrist and a swivel?
I know that hitters have a gradual turn/roll and swingers swivel. So am I right in saying that the difference is in how sudden you turn/roll it? i.e. a swivel is a more sudden turn/roll, whereas a hitter’s turn/roll is just a gradual one.

2) is the term “true rotation” synonymous with “swivel”, i.e. they can be used interchangeably?

3) I am a swinger, and I’m not sure how quickly I should turn my wrists on the backstroke. For example, when I reach the first parallel on the backstroke, should the clubface be square, or slightly closed?

4) When you talk about turning the wrists, is this achieved only by turning the wrist itself, or does it refer to the turning of the whole of the forearm (or both?)? I hope I’m not getting confused with fanning, which is just a clapping motion and has nothing to do with turning (?)

5) Question on flying wedges. I know that the right wrist should always be level (no vertical plane movement) and is only allowed to bend (horizontal plane movement). But looking at photos of numerous pros at impact, their right wrist seems to be uncocked. Shouldn’t it be level?

[6bmike]

In the meantime before Yoda answers:

1- a swivel is like a safety value after impact for a swinger to finish the horizontal hinging action and put the club back on plane into the finish. Hitters “swivel action” is later but not slower in preforming. I feel a hitter who is driving the right arm with #1pp doesn’t perform the same “swivel” as a swinger but achieves the same result as the hand action puts the club back on plane into the finish. For a Swinger, without a swivel, the Horizontal hinge action would stop and the clubhead thrown away, the right wrist would flip.

2- I’m not sure what you mean by ‘true rotation’ but there are NO synonymous terms in the TGM language. Swivel is swivel and means only swivel and nothing else does. Hahah. It is the hidden value of TGM.

3- All wrist and hand actions are loading actions and can perform at anytime. Generally sweep (throughout) and snap (late) loading are the most common. What you do not want to do is start putting the body and club in positions. Alignments are not positions. The swing is fluid not fixed.

4- never give it much thought.
Fanning is like unclapping- movement from the center- fanning, unclapping outward. Since there are not unnatural movements in the machine- the forearms must move somewhat. The point isn’t moving or turning the forearm but the hand/wrist.

5- The right wrist only bends- that is the horizontal plane movement and is never called cocking Only the left wrist cocks. The pro at impact may or may not have a bend in the right wrist, but in each case it is level as long as it is still a horizontal movement. This is not a flip which is total breakdown.
A straightening of the right unbent wrist occurs to some degree depending on the stroke. A flat right wrist occurs twice in a stroke, at address and once again after impact before re-bending to the finish to some like Ben Doyle, while others say it should remain bent all the time. Mine flattens some on long irons and woods and stays bent with short irons and pitches. Level is the key.

[Matt]

Check out Lynn's second post in this topic:

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2238

[tongzilla]

Thanks Matt, the link was helpful.

The pro at impact may or may not have a bend in the right wrist, but in each case it is level as long as it is still a horizontal movement.

I was referring to the forbidden vertical motion (i.e. cocking and uncocking of right wrist). Take a look at the photo on the left of this link:

http://asafgolf.free.fr/images/golf/...nger_coteg.jpg

To me, the the right wrist seems to be slightly uncocked. It doesn't look level. If you draw a straght line from elbow point to middle of wrist, and another line wrist to fingers, you would find that they are at an angle. If they were to be level, then there should be no divergence between these two lines. Maybe it's a bad camera angle?

Another point in case someone brings this up: one can argue that because the right forearm and the club does indeed form a straight line in the photo, the right wrist must be level. But I think this is not true since the club is held in the hands at an angle, so in order to get the club and right forearm in one line, the right wrist should be uncocked.

[6bmike]

One point that we learned in "Secrets class" last year is that a level wrist is measured from the base of the thumb, the area above the fat meaty part of the hand, straight back to the wrist. This will make the wrist look uncocked as it will have the fingers pointed down.





I will agree that the fingers in the cocked picture are level and the fingers in the level picture angle downward but it is not the hand or fingers that must be level but it is the wrist that must stay level.

[12 piece bucket]

One point that we learned in "Secrets class" last year is that a level wrist is measured from the base of the thumb, the area above the fat meaty part of the hand, straight back to the wrist. This will make the wrist look uncocked as it will have the fingers pointed down.





I will agree that the fingers in the cocked picture are level and the fingers in the level picture angle downward but it is not the hand or fingers that must be level but it is the wrist that must stay level.

B,

The Level Pic looks Uncocked to me, at least for me. I can't get my wrist to uncock any more than that position in the pic.

Thoughts?

Thanks man!

R

[6bmike]

Imagine a club in the Level hand- that might help.

Re-read 4-B-0/1/2/3



4-B-3 UNCOCKED

...."The wrist is UNCOCKED at any time it is moving away from any COCKED condition."

[DDL]

Now I know what level is. However, I am unable to keep my right wrist in the newly defined position on the backswing. My right wrist goes to a technically cocked position according to the above photos, however visually it looks level. It's impossible to not cock my right wrist unless I eliminate any left wrist cock.

[EdZ]

Now I know what level is. However, I am unable to keep my right wrist in the newly defined position on the backswing. My right wrist goes to a technically cocked position according to the above photos, however visually it looks level. It's impossible to not cock my right wrist unless I eliminate any left wrist cock.

The left wrist is cocked by the motion of the right elbow, not the right wrist. That is how you can maintain no wrist cock in the right, but have a cocked left wrist.

Check that you are maintaining extensor action. It is likey that if you are cocking the right wrist, you probably are not.

[DDL]

Is it possible that the vast majority of Tour players double cock their wrists? In the slo mo sequences, I don't detect a TGM defined level right wrist either at address or in the BS,except DiMarco for one