The Tomasello Tapes -- Chapter One / The Pivot
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03-12-2005, 11:57 AM
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The Tomasello Tapes -- Chapter One / The Pivot
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03-12-2005, 12:47 PM
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Very interesting ....and thanks very much for posting this - this footage rocks
Ive just watched it once but here are my preliminary points of note...
He doesn't advocate a stationary head (per 2-0)- where his head stays right in the center of his stance... but then Homer suggested it was only recommended and not a nessesity. He suggests a preliminary tilting of his axis bring his head over his right leg....
He advocates a swinging procedure with a Standard Hip action powering the pivot. Knee and foot action is right anchor and flat left..
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03-12-2005, 01:04 PM
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He seems to talk about swinging components, but at the same time he talks about pushing the right arm through the ball.
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03-12-2005, 01:30 PM
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Homer Kelley On The Stationary Head
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Originally Posted by Mathew
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He doesn't advocate a stationary head (per 2-0)- where his head stays right in the center of his stance... but then Homer suggested it was only recommended and not a nessesity. He suggests a preliminary tilting of his axis bring his head over his right leg....
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Homer Kelley designated the Stationary Head as the First Essential of the Golf Stroke (1-L #1/#2; 2-0-A-1). He insisted that this Head Position be established at Impact Fix in compliance with the Knee Bend and Waist Bend necessary to allow the Right Forearm to point at the Plane Line per its own Angle of Approach (7-3).
None of the six published editions of The Golfing Machine specifically advocate the 'Center of the Stance' Head position. Nevertheless, a glance at the reference marker behind the model's Centered Head in the photos of 9-1 and 9-2 make Homer's thoughts clear. He codified this recommendation in his as yet unpublished 7th edition. Here he articulates his Pivot Swing Center Tripod concept and states that the Head should be positioned "precisely between the Feet."
Two final thoughts:
1. The Head Center reference marker in 9-1 remains in place through the Finish of the Stroke. However, I believe that Homer would have no problem -- for reasons of flexibility or personal preference -- with letting the Head and Body rise into the Finish. That is because all Acceleration has ceased by the end of the Follow-Through and only momentum carries the Player to the Finish. This view is further substantiated by Homer's own thoughts on the Plane in 2-F, wherein he states that all components must comply 'from Waggle to Follow-Through.'
2. In his Master Classes, he acknowledged that the Head may be located elsewhere at Fix. In such instances, he advised that the Head remain in that position.
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03-12-2005, 09:23 PM
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Sounds like 4-Barrel swinging to me.
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03-12-2005, 09:37 PM
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Right Arm Swing Revelations
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Yoda,
Went to the driving range today...I believe my analysis of an automatic release for a right swinger is incorrect....the right arm swinger should thrust at release just like the true hitter or 4 barrel hitter....
Interesting note.....with no thrusting action at release with the accelerating right arm, I was getting a clubhead throw-away feel (flat impact and a flat impact sound, not fun)....I went back to thrusting with my right forearm at release and the sweet feel of clubhead lag reappeared....wow....isn't that interesting.....
So it appears, a well executed right arm swing incorporates right arm thrust at release (per 2-K of the 5th edition)...an extensor action application of the right arm at impact....after today's testing it appears the swing arc tranfers to the right elbow for right arm swingers...
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As does the Hitter, the Right Arm Swinger forfeits the Body's Momentum Transfer. Therefore, it is mandatory that the Stroke's Centrifugal Drive be sustained with Right Arm Pull.
The Right Elbow Stroke Center is a condition of the Right Arm Swing (10-3-K). Otherwise, you are attempting a Stroke with two Centers -- the Left Shoulder (center of the Left Arm Swing) and the Right Elbow. This produces two 'circles' and obvious conflicts.
Also, with the Right Elbow serving as the Stroke Center, the Low Point of the Stroke will be directly opposite the Elbow. Hence, the Right Elbow must be located in front of the Ball for a true Three-Dimensional Impact. This is yet another reason to keep that Right Arm moving during Release.
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05-16-2010, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Yoda
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As does the Hitter, the Right Arm Swinger forfeits the Body's Momentum Transfer. Therefore, it is mandatory that the Stroke's Centrifugal Drive be sustained with Right Arm Pull.
The Right Elbow Stroke Center is a condition of the Right Arm Swing (10-3-K). Otherwise, you are attempting a Stroke with two Centers -- the Left Shoulder (center of the Left Arm Swing) and the Right Elbow. This produces two 'circles' and obvious conflicts.
Also, with the Right Elbow serving as the Stroke Center, the Low Point of the Stroke will be directly opposite the Elbow. Hence, the Right Elbow must be located in front of the Ball for a true Three-Dimensional Impact. This is yet another reason to keep that Right Arm moving during Release.
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could you draw a picture of how the right elbow could be in front of the ball at impact with a driver?
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05-16-2010, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by joe curtis
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could you draw a picture of how the right elbow could be in front of the ball at impact with a driver?
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I don't have the inclination to draw a picture but imagine Playing the Ball opposite your Right Foot by opening the Stance and/or Plane line (Mostly, just the Plane Line). This would be Typical of the Right Arm Swinger. Go to the range and hit balls this way. Close the Clubface a little. Easy Peasy.
I don't think that the Right Elbow Aligned ahead of the Ball at Impact is practical or feasible enough to Pattern the Components with the Ball located forward in your stance as with a Left Shoulder Centered Swing.
But it's obvious that, if the Center of the Stroke is behind the Ball, then during Impact, the Clubhead would be traveling Forward, Up and In, not Forward, Down and Out.
Of all the "Topped" shots mishit everyday, I wonder how many are caused by mistaken Stroke Centers?
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05-17-2010, 12:02 AM
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Tomasello Golf Swing
The swing Tommy is demonstrating in the Chapter series of videos is a four barrel swinging pattern. The downswing is triggered with the muscles of both forearms....reference Accumulator number 2 in section 6 of TGM. And the combination trigger per chapter 11 (10-20-B and 10-20-D). It's a full power golf swing utilizing Major and Minor Strokes 10-3-B and 10-3-D per the 7th edition. The swing center is the left shoulder not the right elbow per 10-3-K.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 05-19-2010 at 12:20 AM.
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03-13-2005, 03:28 AM
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Yoda, please tell us the points you don't agree with. This way when we watch the video, we can incubate properly..........
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