I've slept on this now, read the book, meditated on it etc, and here is what I think the solution to this problem is:
The plane of the the left wrist cock is not in the plane of the left palm -
or:
a cocked left wrist is not at a 90 degree angle to a bent left wrist.
Firstly, look at pictures in the book - say 10-6-B #2. The left arm is not in any way on plane, but the left palm is. Per 7-2, the back of he flat left wrist faces down the angle of approach at impact fix - therefore essentially the back of the left hand faces out towards right field (or in my country out towards long off or cover). Now, for simplicities sake, imagine the left arm at low point, where it is perpendicular to the plane line. I think wrist cock at this point would also be perpendicular to the plane line - but because the left wrist/palm faces somewhat to right field this won't be in the plane of the left palm.
This kind of wrist cock gives the look you see in Lynn's videos (I think), and in the pics in the book (e.g. 10-6-B #2), where the left wrist seems to cup a bit at the top (or in fact, cup a bit as the wrist cocks). Basically, it creates an angle which allows the left palm to be on plane while the left arm is not. Note that when you uncock in this sort of plane however, that the left wrist is flat.
The on-plane motion of the clubshaft directed by the lag really controls what motions will be made- the uncocking flat left wrist and any roll are really subservient to the on-plane motion. I could go into further detail regarding the flat uncocking left wrist, but I think it's pretty obvious if we start looking at swing sequences that the left arm flying wedge is never on the swing plane. However, if you've thought before that the left wrist would need to stay flat and on-plane for any uncocking to create an on-plane motion of the clubshaft then your're brain's going to scramble for a while- dealing with a different concept.
The easiest solution for a contrary opinion would be to put up or point out swing sequences where the left arm flying wedge is on-plane as you described. After all, if the left arm flying wedge is on-plane then the left shoulder would be on-plane. A
The easiest solution for a contrary opinion would be to put up or point out swing sequences where the left arm flying wedge is on-plane as you described. After all, if the left arm flying wedge is on-plane then the left shoulder would be on-plane. A
The on-plane motion of the clubshaft directed by the lag really controls what motions will be made- the uncocking flat left wrist and any roll are really subservient to the on-plane motion. I could go into further detail regarding the flat uncocking left wrist, but I think it's pretty obvious if we start looking at swing sequences that the left arm flying wedge is never on the swing plane. However, if you've thought before that the left wrist would need to stay flat and on-plane for any uncocking to create an on-plane motion of the clubshaft then your're brain's going to scramble for a while- dealing with a different concept.
The easiest solution for a contrary opinion would be to put up or point out swing sequences where the left arm flying wedge is on-plane as you described. After all, if the left arm flying wedge is on-plane then the left shoulder would be on-plane. A
Mike O.
I had the sime thoughts Mike O,
Having been thinking a bit further, I think this can be refined a little bit. Assume the following premises:
1) the leftt wrist is flat from impact fix to impact
2) the club (not only the clubhead) is on plane from impact fix to impact
2) the left arm is steeper than the plan at address and impact. 10-6-B#1
3) the left arm is flatter than the plane at top of back swing. 10-6-B#2
As we move away from address, the leftt arm goes from a steeper to a flatter position compared to the swing plane. So somewhere in the middle, the left arm must at least be parallell to the plane (as seen down the line). Since the club is on plane throughout, left arm will not only be parallell, but also on plane. But this will only be at a point in the swing.
Where's the point? It's the point where the left arm is parallell to the ground. From a "pure geometry" approach, it cannot be otherwice. Or?
Edit: The text was a bit lefty and righty oriented - now it's written for a righty swing.
Bernt,
Are you a lefty! We don't allow lefties here! Just kidding- so following the context of the thread- anywhere in your post where you said right arm - I'm putting in left arm.
Thanks,
Mike O.
Further, that was my initial thought - that the left arm could be on plane at one point (parallel to the ground)- but in a normal golf swing it never is on plane (with the exception of a zero #3 accumulator).
Because the left arm starts at address steeper than the plane and then at the top is flatter than the plane does not mean that somewhere in between it is on plane. You'll see or verify that with any swing sequence where the left arm is parallel to the ground and the left shoulder is no where near on-plane.
Bernt,
Are you a lefty! We don't allow lefties here! Just kidding- so following the context of the thread- anywhere in your post where you said right arm - I'm putting in left arm.
Thanks,
Mike O.
Further, that was my initial thought - that the left arm could be on plane at one point (parallel to the ground)- but in a normal golf swing it never is on plane (with the exception of a zero #3 accumulator).
Because the left arm starts at address steeper than the plane and then at the top is flatter than the plane does not mean that somewhere in between it is on plane. You'll see or verify that with any swing sequence where the left arm is parallel to the ground and the left shoulder is no where near on-plane.
You're right. I'm a lefty. Usually I manage to write stuff like this in a right hand perspective. But this time I messed things up. I've done some editing.
I will not argue against your last paragraph - about the left shoulder being above the plane when the left arm is parallell. If that is correct, it does have consequences to one of the premises I wrote:
2) the club (not only the clubhead) is on plane from impact fix to impact
Then this premise cannot be correct. If the shoulder is above the swing plane so is the grip with the left hand. Can the right hand with pp1 and pp3 still be on plane? I doubt it.
ThenIf the sweetspot is on plane and the hands above plane, the shaft angle must be flatter than the swing plane in this position.
There are more "ThenIf's" down this line.
Depending on how this thread is continuing, I might actually learn something very fundamental.
The easiest solution for a contrary opinion would be to put up or point out swing sequences where the left arm flying wedge is on-plane as you described. After all, if the left arm flying wedge is on-plane then the left shoulder would be on-plane.
Although the Left Arm Flying Wedge often is not On Plane, I do not agree that it is "normally never on the swing plane." For example, Full Extension of the Primary Lever (Left Arm and Club, aka Zero #3 Accumulator) should occur in almost every Stroke immediately after Impact. Clearly, when this condition exists, there is a theoretical Left Arm Inclined Plane (Photo 9-2-11 #2). Another On Plane Left Arm Flying Wedge could occur on the Downstroke when both the Left and Right Shoulders are On Plane (Photo 9-2-8 ).
Nevertheless, the many variables associated with this subject demands great precision in writing, and my earlier post needs some correction. I will write again on this issue when I can devote the necessary time. Meanwhile, check out the Down-the-Line view of the following Moe Norman sequence.
Although the Left Arm Flying Wedge often is not On Plane, I do not agree that it is "normally never on the swing plane." For example, Full Extension of the Primary Lever (Left Arm and Club, aka Zero #3 Accumulator) should occur in almost every Stroke immediately after Impact. Clearly, when this condition exists, there is a theoretical Left Arm Inclined Plane (Photo 9-2-11 #2). Another On Plane Left Arm Flying Wedge could occur on the Downstroke when both the Left and Right Shoulders are On Plane (Photo 9-2-8 ).
Nevertheless, the many variables associated with this subject demands great precision in writing, and my earlier post needs some correction. I will write again on this issue when I can devote the necessary time. Meanwhile, check out the Down-the-Line view of the following Moe Norman sequence.
Just kidding- so following the context of the thread- anywhere in your post where you said right arm - I'm putting in left arm.
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