Close Encounters Tape - A Lesson With Lynn

[12 piece bucket]

Fantastic! I have experienced this same thing first hand. Unbelievable experience.

Man Collin is a BIG DUDE!!! I would not want to be on the striking end of that stroke!!!

[birdie_man]

Whoa mint. Thanks guys.

Downloadin as we speak.

[Trig]

What makes this series so useful for me is that fact that we see Lynn in action with a student - Collin - who can immediately translate what is being taught. This is great because it shows Lynn basically "going for the jugular" on these advanced topics. Collin translates it so quickly that Lynn is able to cover a ton of ground in a relatively short period of time.

[Mike O]

Fantastic! I have experienced this same thing first hand. Unbelievable experience.

Man Collin is a BIG DUDE!!! I would not want to be on the striking end of that stroke!!!

Or Yoda maybe 4' 2"!

Again, another tribute to a fantastic job of putting together all the pieces that make up this website- well done Lynn! Great stuff!

Here's a perfect situation to apply golfing machine principles and take all the discussion in regards to the concepts in the book that are discussed on these forums and see it happen in action- with a good player. This is a textbook case of a good player who has pivot controlled hands- not a good thing - but a very common problem and fortunately not a death sentence but just another opportunity to get better.

In the full swing from the end of the backswing to halfway down- if you go frame by frame- you’ll see the hands come out more than down as Colin has maintained the lag in relation to the body and not the plane line (see 5-0).

Halfway down this “roundhousing” creates a situation where the hips didn’t need to slide out of the way to create the weight shift and prevent the elbow hip collision- therefore the right foot is flat and slightly less rolled-in as a result.

At halfway down (hands roughly hip /mid body height), he’s really in a tough position and his mind knows he’s in trouble, so being athletic- he works from that point in the downswing to impact to adjust the motion in order to hit the shot appropriately- usually a common way to correct from that position is to raise the shaft angle steeper than intended to “make it happen” i.e. since the hands have come to much out- the plane angle needs to be steeper from that point to impact. That raising effort shows up in his follow-through/finish. However from that point half-way down you just can’t consistently do it- that is - plane angle shifting through the release interval- so you get the slight pull shot, or the straight shot, or the slight push shot/ push fade shot- you never know for sure which one. You never get in that groove where you’re money!

It’s also a perfect example of a situation where when you have these pre-programmed issues- that although you could just think of directing the lag at the plane line, you might never really get better or accomplish it. You really need to understand the problem and de-program some of the ingrained faults while you’re trying to perform the procedure of directing the lag at the plane line.

Of course, when you make the change starting with start down waggles- the start down is a lot steeper- and a whole new set of joint sequencing and timing issues come into play that take time to work through- but it’s worth the effort.

Again, great presentation Lynn- neat to see the machine in motion!

[MizunoJoe]

As I watched this sequence of "lessons", it occured to me to ask why they even happened! Clearly, Collin already knows how to execute a TGM Hand Controlled Pivot CF Swing. These aren't so much lessons as they are a showcase. It would be much more instructive to see Yoda take the student in Ben's lesson and make him look like Collin.

[Yoda]

As I watched this sequence of "lessons", it occured to me to ask why they even happened! Clearly, Collin already knows how to execute a TGM Hand Controlled Pivot CF Swing. These aren't so much lessons as they are a showcase. It would be much more instructive to see Yoda take the student in Ben's lesson and make him look like Collin.

So what are you saying, Joe? If you've got a good swing, you really can't get any better, so why try? Or, that watching a good player learn to differentiate the fine points of the Game is of little value to our members?

Collin and I had already been working together a full day and a half. Doing 'nothing' I suppose, according to your own sensibility ("why did these lessons even happen?"). Collin would say otherwise. And so would I.

Could you not see that this was a fine tuning...a summary session...the end result of many hours of a successful student-teacher relationship? Do you really think that the disciplined verbal and physical responses Collin immediately made to my instruction were 'all of sudden' just kind of 'happening'? Do you think his Right Forearm was anywhere close to where you see it in the video when we started or that his Left Wrist could produce the precision alignments he demonstrates -- alignments he could now identify by name?

The work we did is indeed a "showcase," and I am proud of it. In fact, it is how a 'good player' becomes a Champion. At my own crossroads in Golf, I didn't have the benefit of this instructional bridge, and I didn't have the talent to overcome the limitations of conventional instruction. Collin arrived at my doorstep with the talent and left with the guidance he needed. He learned how precise it could be -- indeed, how precise it must be - and has since taken his Game to the next level.

[6bmike]

So what are you saying, Joe? If you've got a good swing, you really can't get any better, so why try? Or, that watching a good player learn to differentiate the fine points of the Game is of little value to our members?

Extremely well put, Yoda.

Collin came with a good swing but left with an incubator full of eggs after Lynn programmed his computer. He sought to recognize the minute differences in Precision.
Do I need Lynn to transform a weekend player into a single digit player to prove what TGM can do? Not at all.

And we got to watch- how cool is that?!

[MizunoJoe]

So what are you saying, Joe? If you've got a good swing, you really can't get any better, so why try? Or, that watching a good player learn to differentiate the fine points of the Game is of little value to our members?

Collin and I had already been working together a full day and a half. Doing 'nothing' I suppose, according to your own sensibility ("why did these lessons even happen?"). Collin would say otherwise. And so would I.

Could you not see that this was a fine tuning...a summary session...the end result of many hours of a successful student-teacher relationship? Do you really think that the disciplined verbal and physical responses Collin immediately made to my instruction were 'all of sudden' just kind of 'happening'? Do you think his Right Forearm was anywhere close to where you see it in the video when we started or that his Left Wrist could produce the precision alignments he demonstrates -- alignments he could now identify by name?

The work we did is indeed a "showcase," and I am proud of it. In fact, it is how a 'good player' becomes a Champion. At my own crossroads in Golf, I didn't have the benefit of this instructional bridge, and I didn't have the talent to overcome the limitations of conventional instruction. Collin arrived at my doorstep with the talent and left with the guidance he needed. He learned how precise it could be -- indeed, how precise it must be - and has since taken his Game to the next level.

The lesson sequence started with Lesson #1 and there was no indication that there was anything preceding that. From the first lesson to the last, he kept the hands above the clubhead and executed chip, pitch, punch, basic, acquired, and full motion for the most part, flawlessly. There was no adjustment of anything - physics or geometry - just a very occasional, "try again".

Indeed, there WAS a lot of very interesting and useful commentary about the Swing - such as your personal alternation between "tracing the plane line" and "direction of PP #3". And, the difference between "throwing the club" versus "driving it". Very entertaining and informational for the viewer, and I fully appreciate that aspect.

But how about taking a life-long hack "flipper" and showing us, step by step, how you turn him into the "flattest left wrist" in golf?

[EdStraker]

The lesson sequence started with Lesson #1 and there was no indication that there was anything preceding that.

In lesson #1 Lynn demonstrates and summarizes the basic motion stages they worked through. It gave me the impression that he was summarizing what he had been working on with Collin.

One of the other clues this wasn't Collin's first meeting with Lynn was Lynn's comments on Collin's improvement of the swivel in one of the proceeding video clips. He points out what Collin used to do, and how the wrist was now flat through the swivel and points it out to Collin's father.

I think the information shown in this video series is invaluable to members of this forum.

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Could you not see that this was a fine tuning...a summary session...the end result of many hours of a successful student-teacher relationship?

The lesson sequence started with Lesson #1 and there was no indication that there was anything preceding that. From the first lesson to the last, he kept the hands above the clubhead and executed chip, pitch, punch, basic, acquired, and full motion for the most part, flawlessly. There was no adjustment of anything - physics or geometry - just a very occasional, "try again".

MJ,

I see the problem and can understand your impression that this was Collin's first session.

I was out of town and unable to write the introductory post for Collin's lesson. Rather than wait for me, I asked Bagger to go ahead and put the video up so that members would have it available over the weekend. His brief post was simply to introduce the video and the format and rationale of its presentation. It did not include the circumstances surrounding the lesson. In fact, I don't think he even knew those details.

To address the current confusion, I have edited Bagger's post to explicitly state Collin's prior TGM experience (none), the actual amount of time we spent together (two days) and the fact that this lesson was the final segment of that training.

By the way, just to let every body know the 'labor of love' going on behind the scenes...

Each five minutes of the video took a full two hours to render the quality you see. And that doesn't begin to address the time spent in converting the tape for the site or its title page graphics. The job could have been done a whole lot faster and with a lot less effort on Bagger's part, but he wanted to do it right. The results speak for themselves.

Thanks, Bagger!