Close Encounters Tape - A Lesson With Lynn

[6bmike]

video's dirty little secret- rendering time- ouch.

[MizunoJoe]

MJ,

I see the problem and can understand your impression that this was Collin's first session.

I was out of town and unable to write the introductory post for Collin's lesson. Rather than wait for me, I asked Bagger to go ahead and put the video up so that members would have it available over the weekend. His brief post was simply to introduce the video and the format and rationale of its presentation. It did not include the circumstances surrounding the lesson. In fact, I don't think he even knew those details.

To address the current confusion, I have edited Bagger's post to explicitly state Collin's prior TGM experience (none), the actual amount of time we spent together (two days) and the fact that this lesson was the final segment of that training.

By the way, just to let every body know the 'labor of love' going on behind the scenes...

Each five minutes of the video took a full two hours to render the quality you see. And that doesn't begin to address the time spent in converting the tape for the site or its title page graphics. The job could have been done a whole lot faster and with a lot less effort on Bagger's part, but he wanted to do it right. The results speak for themselves.

Thanks, Bagger!

Sorry for the misunderstanding. Sounds like there is no video of the initial encounters, but could you briefly summarize what he was doing wrong and how you fixed it? Was he a successful timed-flipper, who needed a complete conversion?

Thanks.

[YodasLuke]

But how about taking a life-long hack "flipper" and showing us, step by step, how you turn him into the "flattest left wrist" in golf?

Yoda doesn't need my help, but I'd be willing to take that challenge. In fact, I did it last week. I had a new student that was THE worst chipper of the ball I'd EVER seen. He had a flat left wrist to follow-through when he left. I regret that I took no 'before' footage; I could have sent it to Ripley's. The motion he made was worse than devastating. After I helped him, I begged him to repeat how he did it when we started the day, so I could capture it on tape. Sadly, for me, he couldn't. He was fantastic when he left and was just as suprised as I was to see such a transformation. I've seen people get much better in a lesson, but this was one for Candid Camera. I thought someone was hiding in the bushes, waiting to jump out with a camera. I thought Yoda had surely set me up. When you ask a student to hit a 5 foot chip and the club finishes above his head, I'd challenge anyone to keep from belly laughing.
Long story short...it can be done.

[Martee]

As I watched this sequence of "lessons", it occured to me to ask why they even happened! Clearly, Collin already knows how to execute a TGM Hand Controlled Pivot CF Swing. These aren't so much lessons as they are a showcase. It would be much more instructive to see Yoda take the student in Ben's lesson and make him look like Collin.

I can only speak from my first hand experience with Yoda. On day one...Ugly was as Ugly is. The number of issues, okay problems with my golf stroke numbered in the high 20s. After 4 or 5 hours on the range, another 3 to 4 hours of drills and book work, the difference was night and day. On the second day after 4 hours on the range plus there was about 2 hours or more of review of video and drills that morning, the golf stroke was totally different and it really looked liked a golf stroke. We did some taping and a quick review of hinging, basic, acquired motion, along with Hitting and Swinging which really looked like I had been doing this for much longer than 48 hours. I still go over the tape. After 72 hours it was a complete transformation, not in the same class as Collin but the list of issues you could count on one hand and have fingers left over.

The click of the ball...a sound that is beautiful...ball go good too.

So though Collin in the clips may looked as if he is just doing a 'showcase', I saw this more like the wrap up Yoda did with me to cover the basics and do some fine tuning so that after you leave you have a reference to fall back on. A side benefit,you are right makes for a great showcase of the golf stroke. There is a heck of alot of information buried in those clips, you need to get past just the repeated words and look look look at what all is being accomplished.

Great Vids......

Anyway, I don't know Collin's level prior to arrival, but I can believe that Collin with this experience took his stoke to at least the next level if not higher. And I am sure I heard that he had a limited shot selection and left with alot more.

Great Stuff......

[Yoda]

...I don't know Collin's level prior to arrival, but I can believe that Collin with this experience took his stoke to at least the next level if not higher. And I am sure I heard that he had a limited shot selection and left with alot more.

Great Stuff......

Right on all counts, Martee.

In the six months since Collin and I began our work together, I have had the privilege of taking his phone call from time to time. Sometimes we clear swing fog and other times he updates me on his increasing success.

Last week, he called with some special news. I was excited for him and asked him to put it up on the site. That post (and my response) is in the Holies and Polies Forum in the thread And On The Younger Front.

At an age and in a sport where brash and cocky 'it's all about me' attitudes abound, Collin's modesty and manner is refreshing. He is a credit to himself, his family and the game. So, I will now say what he didn't: His final round 71 -- on a very tough golf course and against a full qualifier field for the national junior college championships next May -- was the low round of the three-day tournament. He finished fourth overall, and the good news is...

He is only a freshman!

[Mike O]

For me, a lesson between student and teacher is a very personal thing- and because a video of that lesson only shows the present and not the entire context (past and future)- I find it surprising that any teacher AND their student would feel comfortable enough to show it to ANY audience. After all, what is there for the teacher or the student to gain by such a showing? Certainly, the primary potential for gain is largely on the side of the people that get to view it and possibly learn from it.

It won’t take too many negative posts to reduce the possibility of future videos like this one. Instead of "It would be much more instructive to see Yoda take the student in Ben's lesson and make him look like Collin." Which while that statement might be true, it might sound better presented as "It was great to see you work with a good player - could we see a similar length lesson clip from a player who is a 20 handicap?" Afterall, you already saw the good player. It's just better decorum.

To Lynn: I’ve got to give you credit for being open in regards to what you put up, what you let go up on the forum and what you let go on in the forum-that approach certainly has its associated problems but it’s a refreshing attribute and overall a real plus for you and the site.

To Collin: Thanks for letting us be a part of your lesson with Yoda and keep "ripping it"- sounds like you've got a great game and a promising future in this game. Also, thanks for letting TGM be a part of it- people like yourself - will and can be a major influence on golf and TGM (you've got alot more influence than you could ever imagine).

[frank]

I am 70 yrs old and have been a low single digit player for over 50 yrs. I have played and socialized with the very best professionals and amateurs in the world. I have had instructions from U.S. open winners to teaching only pro's.

I took lessons from Luke at "the swamp". I paid for the 5 lesson plan, took 2 and have not returned in 6 months. I learned so much in those 2 lessons that one morning, plus what I learn on LynnBlakeGolf.com that I don't feel the need to go back.

Last week I viewed the "close encounters-a lesson with Lynn. It is without a doubt the finest piece of golf instruction i have ever benefited from. I have no special allegience to Lynn B. or Ted Fort, as I hardly know them. But, I feel indebted to them for what I have learned from LynnBlakeGolf.com. They could make a lot more money for themselves without out these free lessons on tape. They are a proven quality now and worth paying for!

One other point. You can learn a lot more by viewing and LISTENING to a lesson with a good player than you will ever learn by viewing a player that refuses to be taught, e.g., the guy in the Ben Doyle l hr. lesson.

Frank

" Sharper than a serpents tooth, to have an ungrateful child."
-- Wm. Shakespeare

[MizunoJoe]

You can learn a lot more by viewing and LISTENING to a lesson with a good player than you will ever learn by viewing a player that refuses to be taught.ie: the guy
in the Ben Doyle l hr. lesson.

Nothing could be further from the truth! Watching a good player getting instruction gives you absolutely NO CLUE what that player is really DOING, because the proper physics is already there.

And, that student of Ben's wasn't refusing to be taught - he was trying hard to perform the solution he was given, that of aiming point, but it only made him flip worse - he wasn't being given the correct actionable drills/images which would have produced the desired result.

[frank]

You go ahead and watch poor players, I'll watch good players.
Play with dogs, good chance of getting fleas.

[12 piece bucket]

Nothing could be further from the truth! Watching a good player getting instruction gives you absolutely NO CLUE what that player is really DOING, because the proper physics is already there.

And, that student of Ben's wasn't refusing to be taught - he was trying hard to perform the solution he was given, that of aiming point, but it only made him flip worse - he wasn't being given the correct actionable drills/images which would have produced the desired result.

Joe,

I'm truly interested in what you would prescribe for the guy in Ben's video. I ask because I truly would like to know. I know that you have issue with "hands controlling" the pivot. I respect your knowledge of the golf swing and of the Yellow Book. Many of your posts have been very helpful to me.

Would you mind expanding little more about how you would have handled the student in Ben's clips? What type of drills or images would you prescribe to a flipper/hacker?

There certainly are many ways to skin a cat.

Thanks and regards,

Bucket