Close Encounters Tape - A Lesson With Lynn

[kmmcnabb]

I personally gained much insight into how key, the shorter strokes are to building your swing. I have found it easy to discern a problem by going back to Acquired or Basic from Total swing.

The part I had a question about was Yoda's reference tgo 12-3-0 and the Mechanical Checklist and how to use it to check critical alignments (wrists vertical, etc).

Could someone elaborate on how to use TGM to determine critical alignments for each part of the total swing. One example should suffice (don't do the entire swing).

To be sure, I am no expert on TGM but I have been through the book many times (and before you ask, Yes, I followed the reading structure outline on page x). I tend to carry it around with me and find time to go back and reread many parts over and over but I do find this forum and Chuck's with videos do help clear up the fog.

Kevin

Thomas Edison knew 1800 ways not to build a light bulb

[Martee]

MJ

When I visited Yoda, you and he did identify a large number of faults. HOWEVER rather than focusing on each fault, Yoda explain to me that in getting myself into the proper alignment that a number of these faults should and would probably disappear.

Working the basic motion then the acquired and achieving correct results eliminated improper techniques.

The drills for the basic and acquired which most are in the book in one form or another.

When we go to full motion, Yoda noted that most of the faults noted were no longer an issue, yet we didn't focus on the faults, we focus on the alignments for the most part.

During each step of the way we discussed the book by reference and the whys and what fors.

What I discovered that in my case I could start a stroke and stop it, cause I knew it was wrong. Yoda got me to get the correct mechanics to produce the feel.

Once and awhile an old habit would show up and usually I could identify it and know why, even though we didn't tag each fault to a step in the teaching Yoda did. What I learned was that my old habit prevented me from achieving what I needed to be correct.

I saw alot of this in the vid clips in this series, when the student was either going to perform a particular stroke or had failed to perform the particular stroke, Yoda would ask questions, pointed questions and the student would respond.

To put it simple Yoda with me and I assume he does this with most students is to build. Start with what the golf stroke is and go step by step forward while the student begins to master it.

Not sure what you are looking for, the wrap up provided in these clips I will bet all are just that, a wrap up, whereas in the hours and day before there was more balls being hit, more drills, etc. There is a lot of information contained within these clips that can be drawn back to the book, chapter, section and paragraph IMO.

[MizunoJoe]

Joe,

I'm truly interested in what you would prescribe for the guy in Ben's video. I ask because I truly would like to know. I know that you have issue with "hands controlling" the pivot. I respect your knowledge of the golf swing and of the Yellow Book. Many of your posts have been very helpful to me.

Would you mind expanding little more about how you would have handled the student in Ben's clips? What type of drills or images would you prescribe to a flipper/hacker?

There certainly are many ways to skin a cat.

Thanks and regards,

Bucket

I would have him grip down on the shaft of a mid-iron and secure the grip to the inside of the left forearm with a velcro strap. Have him hit pitch shots with the pivot only, making sure he doesn't push with the right tricep. After he gets the hang of it, have him hit little pitch shots off the ground with a driver, gripping it normally.

[YodasLuke]

I am 70 yrs old and have been a low single digit player for over 50 yrs. I have played and socialized with the very best professionals and amateurs in the world. I have had instructions from U.S. open winners to teaching only pro's.

I took lessons from Luke at "the swamp". I paid for the 5 lesson plan, took 2 and have not returned in 6 months. I learned so much in those 2 lessons that one morning, plus what I learn on LynnBlakeGolf.com that I don't feel the need to go back.

Last week I viewed the "close encounters-a lesson with Lynn. It is without a doubt the finest piece of golf instruction i have ever benefited from. I have no special allegience to Lynn B. or Ted Fort, as I hardly know them. But, I feel indebted to them for what I have learned from LynnBlakeGolf.com. They could make a lot more money for themselves without out these free lessons on tape. They are a proven quality now and worth paying for!

Thank you, Frank. We truly appreciate your kind words.

[EdZ]

A wonderful series Lynn - great stuff!

hinge action with an open hand
hinge action with a fist

A classic! - EdZ

[Yoda]

A wonderful series Lynn - great stuff!

Hinge action with an open hand.

Hinge action with a fist.

A classic!

Thanks, EdZ. I know you've been busy, but we've missed you. C'mon back as soon as you can.

[lagster]

Or Yoda maybe 4' 2"!

Again, another tribute to a fantastic job of putting together all the pieces that make up this website- well done Lynn! Great stuff!

Here's a perfect situation to apply golfing machine principles and take all the discussion in regards to the concepts in the book that are discussed on these forums and see it happen in action- with a good player. This is a textbook case of a good player who has pivot controlled hands- not a good thing - but a very common problem and fortunately not a death sentence but just another opportunity to get better.

In the full swing from the end of the backswing to halfway down- if you go frame by frame- you’ll see the hands come out more than down as Colin has maintained the lag in relation to the body and not the plane line (see 5-0).

Halfway down this “roundhousing” creates a situation where the hips didn’t need to slide out of the way to create the weight shift and prevent the elbow hip collision- therefore the right foot is flat and slightly less rolled-in as a result.

At halfway down (hands roughly hip /mid body height), he’s really in a tough position and his mind knows he’s in trouble, so being athletic- he works from that point in the downswing to impact to adjust the motion in order to hit the shot appropriately- usually a common way to correct from that position is to raise the shaft angle steeper than intended to “make it happen” i.e. since the hands have come to much out- the plane angle needs to be steeper from that point to impact. That raising effort shows up in his follow-through/finish. However from that point half-way down you just can’t consistently do it- that is - plane angle shifting through the release interval- so you get the slight pull shot, or the straight shot, or the slight push shot/ push fade shot- you never know for sure which one. You never get in that groove where you’re money!

It’s also a perfect example of a situation where when you have these pre-programmed issues- that although you could just think of directing the lag at the plane line, you might never really get better or accomplish it. You really need to understand the problem and de-program some of the ingrained faults while you’re trying to perform the procedure of directing the lag at the plane line.

Of course, when you make the change starting with start down waggles- the start down is a lot steeper- and a whole new set of joint sequencing and timing issues come into play that take time to work through- but it’s worth the effort.

Again, great presentation Lynn- neat to see the machine in motion!

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Not many people would see the hands coming out TOO much, and the resulting actions and compensations for that action("roundhousing" etc.)... good observations mikeo! His stroke LOOKS excellent in many ways, however, and I think you would agree.

I believe I have heard this called... "coming over the bottom."
He does an excellent job of compensating, if in fact this is the case.

It sounds like the "Downstroke Waggle" is how you would go about correcting something like this. You mentioned also "Hands Controlled Pivot" vs. "Pivot Controlled Hands".

Maybe a picture sequence can be posted(I don't have the ability to do so) that shows the hands coming down in relation to the Plane Line, as you describe, and the resulting Hip Action, weight shift ,and Foot Action that occurs from this change.

[rchang72]

Just curious. In the basic motion, what distinguishes the swinger from the hitter? It looked like he was starting from impact fix and then picking the right forearm up and bringing it back down.

[Mike O]

Just curious. In the basic motion, what distinguishes the swinger from the hitter? It looked like he was starting from impact fix and then picking the right forearm up and bringing it back down.

In the basic motion (12-5-1) or in any motion- the acceleration method is what differentiates the swinger from the hitter- that's it. A close 2nd would be the hinge action/rhythm- as that's normally a result of the acceleration method- but the hinge action does not differentiate hitting from swinging. Otherwise, the basic motion for both is identical.

[jim_0068]

Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but a swinger has a startup swivel somewhere in the backswing correct? Where as the hitter doesn't? I thought that was one of more the "visual cues" to a swinger/hitter. Obviously the power source is the main key, but i thought this was a close second.