Close Encounters Tape - A Lesson With Lynn
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10-22-2005, 01:45 AM
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Teaching Mozart to play piano
As I watched this sequence of "lessons", it occured to me to ask why they even happened! Clearly, Collin already knows how to execute a TGM Hand Controlled Pivot CF Swing. These aren't so much lessons as they are a showcase. It would be much more instructive to see Yoda take the student in Ben's lesson and make him look like Collin.
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10-23-2005, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe
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As I watched this sequence of "lessons", it occured to me to ask why they even happened! Clearly, Collin already knows how to execute a TGM Hand Controlled Pivot CF Swing. These aren't so much lessons as they are a showcase. It would be much more instructive to see Yoda take the student in Ben's lesson and make him look like Collin.
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So what are you saying, Joe? If you've got a good swing, you really can't get any better, so why try? Or, that watching a good player learn to differentiate the fine points of the Game is of little value to our members?
Collin and I had already been working together a full day and a half. Doing 'nothing' I suppose, according to your own sensibility ("why did these lessons even happen?"). Collin would say otherwise. And so would I.
Could you not see that this was a fine tuning...a summary session...the end result of many hours of a successful student-teacher relationship? Do you really think that the disciplined verbal and physical responses Collin immediately made to my instruction were 'all of sudden' just kind of 'happening'? Do you think his Right Forearm was anywhere close to where you see it in the video when we started or that his Left Wrist could produce the precision alignments he demonstrates -- alignments he could now identify by name?
The work we did is indeed a "showcase," and I am proud of it. In fact, it is how a 'good player' becomes a Champion. At my own crossroads in Golf, I didn't have the benefit of this instructional bridge, and I didn't have the talent to overcome the limitations of conventional instruction. Collin arrived at my doorstep with the talent and left with the guidance he needed. He learned how precise it could be -- indeed, how precise it must be - and has since taken his Game to the next level.
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10-24-2005, 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Yoda
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So what are you saying, Joe? If you've got a good swing, you really can't get any better, so why try? Or, that watching a good player learn to differentiate the fine points of the Game is of little value to our members?
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Extremely well put, Yoda.
Collin came with a good swing but left with an incubator full of eggs after Lynn programmed his computer. He sought to recognize the minute differences in Precision.
Do I need Lynn to transform a weekend player into a single digit player to prove what TGM can do? Not at all.
And we got to watch- how cool is that?!
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10-24-2005, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Yoda
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So what are you saying, Joe? If you've got a good swing, you really can't get any better, so why try? Or, that watching a good player learn to differentiate the fine points of the Game is of little value to our members?
Collin and I had already been working together a full day and a half. Doing 'nothing' I suppose, according to your own sensibility ("why did these lessons even happen?"). Collin would say otherwise. And so would I.
Could you not see that this was a fine tuning...a summary session...the end result of many hours of a successful student-teacher relationship? Do you really think that the disciplined verbal and physical responses Collin immediately made to my instruction were 'all of sudden' just kind of 'happening'? Do you think his Right Forearm was anywhere close to where you see it in the video when we started or that his Left Wrist could produce the precision alignments he demonstrates -- alignments he could now identify by name?
The work we did is indeed a "showcase," and I am proud of it. In fact, it is how a 'good player' becomes a Champion. At my own crossroads in Golf, I didn't have the benefit of this instructional bridge, and I didn't have the talent to overcome the limitations of conventional instruction. Collin arrived at my doorstep with the talent and left with the guidance he needed. He learned how precise it could be -- indeed, how precise it must be - and has since taken his Game to the next level.
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The lesson sequence started with Lesson #1 and there was no indication that there was anything preceding that. From the first lesson to the last, he kept the hands above the clubhead and executed chip, pitch, punch, basic, acquired, and full motion for the most part, flawlessly. There was no adjustment of anything - physics or geometry - just a very occasional, "try again".
Indeed, there WAS a lot of very interesting and useful commentary about the Swing - such as your personal alternation between "tracing the plane line" and "direction of PP #3". And, the difference between "throwing the club" versus "driving it". Very entertaining and informational for the viewer, and I fully appreciate that aspect.
But how about taking a life-long hack "flipper" and showing us, step by step, how you turn him into the "flattest left wrist" in golf?
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10-24-2005, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe
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The lesson sequence started with Lesson #1 and there was no indication that there was anything preceding that.
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In lesson #1 Lynn demonstrates and summarizes the basic motion stages they worked through. It gave me the impression that he was summarizing what he had been working on with Collin.
One of the other clues this wasn't Collin's first meeting with Lynn was Lynn's comments on Collin's improvement of the swivel in one of the proceeding video clips. He points out what Collin used to do, and how the wrist was now flat through the swivel and points it out to Collin's father.
I think the information shown in this video series is invaluable to members of this forum.
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10-24-2005, 11:10 AM
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The Way It Was
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe
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Originally Posted by Yoda
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Could you not see that this was a fine tuning...a summary session...the end result of many hours of a successful student-teacher relationship?
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The lesson sequence started with Lesson #1 and there was no indication that there was anything preceding that. From the first lesson to the last, he kept the hands above the clubhead and executed chip, pitch, punch, basic, acquired, and full motion for the most part, flawlessly. There was no adjustment of anything - physics or geometry - just a very occasional, "try again".
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MJ,
I see the problem and can understand your impression that this was Collin's first session.
I was out of town and unable to write the introductory post for Collin's lesson. Rather than wait for me, I asked Bagger to go ahead and put the video up so that members would have it available over the weekend. His brief post was simply to introduce the video and the format and rationale of its presentation. It did not include the circumstances surrounding the lesson. In fact, I don't think he even knew those details.
To address the current confusion, I have edited Bagger's post to explicitly state Collin's prior TGM experience (none), the actual amount of time we spent together (two days) and the fact that this lesson was the final segment of that training.
By the way, just to let every body know the 'labor of love' going on behind the scenes...
Each five minutes of the video took a full two hours to render the quality you see. And that doesn't begin to address the time spent in converting the tape for the site or its title page graphics. The job could have been done a whole lot faster and with a lot less effort on Bagger's part, but he wanted to do it right. The results speak for themselves.
Thanks, Bagger!
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10-24-2005, 11:26 AM
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10-24-2005, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Yoda
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MJ,
I see the problem and can understand your impression that this was Collin's first session.
I was out of town and unable to write the introductory post for Collin's lesson. Rather than wait for me, I asked Bagger to go ahead and put the video up so that members would have it available over the weekend. His brief post was simply to introduce the video and the format and rationale of its presentation. It did not include the circumstances surrounding the lesson. In fact, I don't think he even knew those details.
To address the current confusion, I have edited Bagger's post to explicitly state Collin's prior TGM experience (none), the actual amount of time we spent together (two days) and the fact that this lesson was the final segment of that training.
By the way, just to let every body know the 'labor of love' going on behind the scenes...
Each five minutes of the video took a full two hours to render the quality you see. And that doesn't begin to address the time spent in converting the tape for the site or its title page graphics. The job could have been done a whole lot faster and with a lot less effort on Bagger's part, but he wanted to do it right. The results speak for themselves.
Thanks, Bagger!
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Sorry for the misunderstanding. Sounds like there is no video of the initial encounters, but could you briefly summarize what he was doing wrong and how you fixed it? Was he a successful timed-flipper, who needed a complete conversion?
Thanks.
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10-24-2005, 02:45 PM
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The Tip Of The Iceberg
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe
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Sounds like there is no video of the initial encounters...
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To the contrary, Collin's dad, Cal, taped the entire two days. In fact, the only reason I've got this tape is because his battery ran out, and we used my camera for the last segment. I forgot to give the tape to him before they left and have just now re-located it.
I thought LBG members might enjoy the experience (and perhaps learn from it). So, before sending it along to Team Neeman, I asked Collin if we could put it up on the site. He gave his permission, Bagger worked his magic and -- voila'! -- members have a front row seat to our very special time together.
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10-24-2005, 03:19 PM
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The Real Deal
Like everything else in our Gallery except the Tomasello series, this is reality TV folks. Unstaged and not filmed up front as a marketing piece. I spend most of my working life creating concepts for high tech products, and then spending half a year or more to launch them. I understand the product marketing process. What you have on this site is everyday stuff, what I like to call Reality TV. In my personal calls with Lynn, he regularly tells me stories about 20 and 30 HC folks who have come to him after years of struggle and leave fixed...for good...some in tears...and that is what really motivates Lynn.
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