Close Encounters Tape - A Lesson With Lynn

[Gerard McNulty]

Hi Frank,

Great recommendation. I enjoyed a solid morning with the dynamic duo. Look for me on the forum and at Old Waverly in April.

Gerard

[12 piece bucket]

Nothing could be further from the truth! Watching a good player getting instruction gives you absolutely NO CLUE what that player is really DOING, because the proper physics is already there.

And, that student of Ben's wasn't refusing to be taught - he was trying hard to perform the solution he was given, that of aiming point, but it only made him flip worse - he wasn't being given the correct actionable drills/images which would have produced the desired result.

Joe,

I'm truly interested in what you would prescribe for the guy in Ben's video. I ask because I truly would like to know. I know that you have issue with "hands controlling" the pivot. I respect your knowledge of the golf swing and of the Yellow Book. Many of your posts have been very helpful to me.

Would you mind expanding little more about how you would have handled the student in Ben's clips? What type of drills or images would you prescribe to a flipper/hacker?

There certainly are many ways to skin a cat.

Thanks and regards,

Bucket

[kmmcnabb]

I personally gained much insight into how key, the shorter strokes are to building your swing. I have found it easy to discern a problem by going back to Acquired or Basic from Total swing.

The part I had a question about was Yoda's reference tgo 12-3-0 and the Mechanical Checklist and how to use it to check critical alignments (wrists vertical, etc).

Could someone elaborate on how to use TGM to determine critical alignments for each part of the total swing. One example should suffice (don't do the entire swing).

To be sure, I am no expert on TGM but I have been through the book many times (and before you ask, Yes, I followed the reading structure outline on page x). I tend to carry it around with me and find time to go back and reread many parts over and over but I do find this forum and Chuck's with videos do help clear up the fog.

Kevin

Thomas Edison knew 1800 ways not to build a light bulb

[Martee]

MJ

When I visited Yoda, you and he did identify a large number of faults. HOWEVER rather than focusing on each fault, Yoda explain to me that in getting myself into the proper alignment that a number of these faults should and would probably disappear.

Working the basic motion then the acquired and achieving correct results eliminated improper techniques.

The drills for the basic and acquired which most are in the book in one form or another.

When we go to full motion, Yoda noted that most of the faults noted were no longer an issue, yet we didn't focus on the faults, we focus on the alignments for the most part.

During each step of the way we discussed the book by reference and the whys and what fors.

What I discovered that in my case I could start a stroke and stop it, cause I knew it was wrong. Yoda got me to get the correct mechanics to produce the feel.

Once and awhile an old habit would show up and usually I could identify it and know why, even though we didn't tag each fault to a step in the teaching Yoda did. What I learned was that my old habit prevented me from achieving what I needed to be correct.

I saw alot of this in the vid clips in this series, when the student was either going to perform a particular stroke or had failed to perform the particular stroke, Yoda would ask questions, pointed questions and the student would respond.

To put it simple Yoda with me and I assume he does this with most students is to build. Start with what the golf stroke is and go step by step forward while the student begins to master it.

Not sure what you are looking for, the wrap up provided in these clips I will bet all are just that, a wrap up, whereas in the hours and day before there was more balls being hit, more drills, etc. There is a lot of information contained within these clips that can be drawn back to the book, chapter, section and paragraph IMO.

[MizunoJoe]

Joe,

I'm truly interested in what you would prescribe for the guy in Ben's video. I ask because I truly would like to know. I know that you have issue with "hands controlling" the pivot. I respect your knowledge of the golf swing and of the Yellow Book. Many of your posts have been very helpful to me.

Would you mind expanding little more about how you would have handled the student in Ben's clips? What type of drills or images would you prescribe to a flipper/hacker?

There certainly are many ways to skin a cat.

Thanks and regards,

Bucket

I would have him grip down on the shaft of a mid-iron and secure the grip to the inside of the left forearm with a velcro strap. Have him hit pitch shots with the pivot only, making sure he doesn't push with the right tricep. After he gets the hang of it, have him hit little pitch shots off the ground with a driver, gripping it normally.

[SwingNorthtoSouth]

I think the video was instructive to show the basic motion to acquired motion and some different hinge actions....etc.The swivels were nice too...... I would like to also see swing faults and soloutions to those faults.
So I see Joe's point about having a 20 HCP on video and watching what it takes to get the three imperatives. What was joe saying about that velcro strap on.........LOL
only kidding Mizuno..........

I would have him grip down on the shaft of a mid-iron and secure the grip to the inside of the left forearm with a velcro strap. Have him hit pitch shots with the pivot only, making sure he doesn't push with the right tricep. After he gets the hang of it, have him hit little pitch shots off the ground with a driver, gripping it normally.

[12 piece bucket]

I would have him grip down on the shaft of a mid-iron and secure the grip to the inside of the left forearm with a velcro strap. Have him hit pitch shots with the pivot only, making sure he doesn't push with the right tricep. After he gets the hang of it, have him hit little pitch shots off the ground with a driver, gripping it normally.

Cool. The strap thing would be pretty much intensive therapy. Why hitting driver pitches of the deck? I like the sound of this one. I'm gonna try that.

Thanks man!

Bucket

[MizunoJoe]

Cool. The strap thing would be pretty much intensive therapy. Why hitting driver pitches of the deck? I like the sound of this one. I'm gonna try that.

Thanks man!

Bucket

The driver is the "test" to see if you REALLY got it. The longer the club, the more the tendency to revert to flipping and you can't hit a little chip by timing a flip with a driver - you'll usually chunk it or else hit it too far.

[Yoda]

Joe,

I'm truly interested in what you would prescribe for the guy in Ben's video. I ask because I truly would like to know. I know that you have issue with "hands controlling" the pivot.

I would have him grip down on the shaft of a mid-iron and secure the grip to the inside of the left forearm with a velcro strap. Have him hit pitch shots with the pivot only, making sure he doesn't push with the right tricep. After he gets the hang of it, have him hit little pitch shots off the ground with a driver, gripping it normally.

Go back to the video and you will find that the Flat Left Wrist is not the problem. In fact, the student exhibits a good intellectual and physical command of that alignment.

Instead, the problem is an exaggerated Axis Tilt during the Start Down and Downstroke. He achieves this over-tilting of his spine (back and away from the Ball) by dropping his Right Shoulder severely Under Plane. This misalignment, in turn, is achieved by allowing his Head to drop back and down -- he Sways and he Bobs. The result is obvious: He continually hits 'up' on the Ball -- Scooping -- all the while doing a yeoman's job of maintaining a Flat Left Wrist.

In fact, he apparently has absolutely no sense of the correct Three-Dimensional Impact Geometry (Down, Out and Forward), much less how to achieve it. Thus, the cure is not more work on the Flat Left Wrist, but on teaching him (1) how the Body Pivot works in the correct Start Down; (2) how his Head should be positioned at Address; and (3) how to maintain that Head Position from Address to the end of the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight position).

In other words, this student has Pivot and Stationary Head problems (Zone #1), not a Flat Left Wrist problem (Zones #2 and #3), and they must be treated accordingly.

[12 piece bucket]

Go back to the video and you will find that the Flat Left Wrist is not the problem. In fact, the student exhibits a good intellectual and physical command of that alignment.

Instead, the problem is an exaggerated Axis Tilt during the Start Down and Downstroke. He achieves this over-tilting of his spine (back and away from the Ball) by dropping his Right Shoulder severely Under Plane. This misalignment, in turn, is achieved by allowing his Head to drop back and down -- he Sways and he Bobs. The result is obvious: He continually hits 'up' on the Ball -- Scooping -- all the while doing a yeoman's job of maintaining a Flat Left Wrist.

In fact, he apparently has absolutely no sense of the correct Three-Dimensional Impact Geometry (Down, Out and Forward), much less how to achieve it. Thus, the cure is not more work on the Flat Left Wrist, but on teaching him (1) how the Body Pivot works in the correct Start Down; (2) how his Head should be positioned at Address; and (3) how to maintain that Head Position from Address to the end of the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight position).

In other words, this student has Pivot and Stationary Head problems (Zone #1), not a Flat Left Wrist problem (Zones #2 and #3), and they must be treated accordingly.

Lynn,

You are precisely on point as always. I went back an reviewed. That guy had a very perverted idea of axis tilt. It was even present at address. Then from the top his left shoulder shot straight up in the air. With that pivot he had no chance of achieving any DOWNARD dimension. Even though his left wrist was flat. Zone 2 and Zone 3 can only be as good as Zone 1.

Very nice analysis. It's like EC says, "Just stand there and take it up with the Right Forearm."

Thanks!

Bucket