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Old 02-01-2005, 07:07 AM
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Sweep loading in swinging...
Hi guys, i need some insight to make sure i am not making the journey longer than it need be. I am embarking on the swinger journey as per 12-2-0. My problem is with Component 22. I have never liked nor been comfortable with snap loading. Changing to sweep loading many years ago made perhaps the biggest improvement to my game ever. All of a sudden i had some decent compression and better direction to boot. I started to mess with snap loading again on the range and had no success. I have no doubt there is a logical reason for this but would like to press on using sweep loading. I would like to know how compatible this loading is with swinging. I know Homer favours a stroke with the least compensations and wonder how far from that i am straying by using the sweep. I am starting to hit the ball well on the range with the sweep and have used it most of my life. I am pretty sure two great examples of swinging with sweep would be Faldo and Els. Maybe it isn't straying to far from the safe?

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Old 02-01-2005, 10:41 AM
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JT1,
There is a large dicussion and explanation of some advantages of Full Sweep loading in the Advanced Machine Forum. For either Swinging or Hitting! I think it might be of interest to you! As stated in one of the posts....over 3000 students were "served" Full sweep loading for Stage 2- Aquired Motion size swings and some kept it for their Stage 3 Total Motion for their Normal Stroke Pattern. Bottom line... whether you like it or NOT...Full Sweep CAN work.... and it HAS worked for many people....

Adios Amigo,

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Old 02-02-2005, 10:25 PM
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Re: Sweep loading in swinging...
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Hi guys, i need some insight to make sure i am not making the journey longer than it need be. I am embarking on the swinger journey as per 12-2-0. My problem is with Component 22. I have never liked nor been comfortable with snap loading. Changing to sweep loading many years ago made perhaps the biggest improvement to my game ever. All of a sudden i had some decent compression and better direction to boot. I started to mess with snap loading again on the range and had no success. I have no doubt there is a logical reason for this but would like to press on using sweep loading. I would like to know how compatible this loading is with swinging. I know Homer favours a stroke with the least compensations and wonder how far from that i am straying by using the sweep. I am starting to hit the ball well on the range with the sweep and have used it most of my life. I am pretty sure two great examples of swinging with sweep would be Faldo and Els. Maybe it isn't straying to far from the safe?

Regards

John
I think in the 7th edition revisions (sorry, dont have them here in front of me), Homer changes it to random sweep. I think.

Regardless, you must do what you feel comfortable with. If snap doesnt work, there is nothing wrong with sweep - in fact, I would suffice to say most tour pro's are sweep versus snap.

I think you're on the right track. The ball doesnt lie.

Patrick
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Old 02-02-2005, 10:36 PM
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Actually JT, I moved you here to keep me company!

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Old 02-02-2005, 11:03 PM
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Re: Sweep loading in swinging...
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Originally Posted by JohnThomas1
Hi guys, i need some insight to make sure i am not making the journey longer than it need be. I am embarking on the swinger journey as per 12-2-0. My problem is with Component 22. I have never liked nor been comfortable with snap loading. Changing to sweep loading many years ago made perhaps the biggest improvement to my game ever. All of a sudden i had some decent compression and better direction to boot. I started to mess with snap loading again on the range and had no success. I have no doubt there is a logical reason for this but would like to press on using sweep loading. I would like to know how compatible this loading is with swinging. I know Homer favours a stroke with the least compensations and wonder how far from that i am straying by using the sweep. I am starting to hit the ball well on the range with the sweep and have used it most of my life. I am pretty sure two great examples of swinging with sweep would be Faldo and Els. Maybe it isn't straying to far from the safe?

Regards

John
I think in the 7th edition revisions (sorry, dont have them here in front of me), Homer changes it to random sweep. I think.

Regardless, you must do what you feel comfortable with. If snap doesnt work, there is nothing wrong with sweep - in fact, I would suffice to say most tour pro's are sweep versus snap.

I think you're on the right track. The ball doesnt lie.

Patrick
Welcome Patrick ! Good seeing ya again.

The longer the club the more I tend to use Sweep- especially with the driver.
To go one step further, this sweep action is the "seems as if" feeling of those instructors (Austin and Crocker as example) that advocate an early release from the top and what some try to call a cast. Only in comparison to a later snap release are these "feelings" true.

JT- in my humble opinion - Els snaps. His hands drop straight down from high above his shoulders to in front of his trouser pleads and the shaft is still parallel to the ground.
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Old 02-03-2005, 04:18 AM
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Thanks heaps guys!
Some super posts as usual, and good move Bagger

I would love to see confirmation of the seventh edition statement, that would be awesome.

I'm not sure Mike. To me he has his power package assembled well before the top, even tho he does create even more lag on the way down i think. Intersting stats by Annikan too.

John
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Old 02-03-2005, 08:26 AM
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Re: Thanks heaps guys!
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Some super posts as usual, and good move Bagger

I would love to see confirmation of the seventh edition statement, that would be awesome.

I'm not sure Mike. To me he has his power package assembled well before the top, even tho he does create even more lag on the way down i think. Intersting stats by Annikan too.

John
Els does sweep load to the top. I thought you were refering to his release. My bad.
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Old 02-03-2005, 04:27 PM
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That's ok Mike, i'm thinking my thread starter should have been a bit clearer as to assembling vs release.

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Old 03-21-2005, 03:10 AM
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No way does Els sweep load in his backstroke...


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Old 03-21-2005, 06:15 AM
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I'll say one thing, Els left forearm and club are at 90 degree's by the time his left arm is level with the ground. He's from the Faldo/Leadbettter school of having the "wrists set" by this point.
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