What exactly does it mean to have a "flat left wrist" at impact? Is this in reference to the #3 Accumulator... meaning no bend only uncock and roll or that the wrist faces the target, or what? I play with a relatively strong grip and my left wrist seems bent at setup or at least it is not facing the target. Should I only be rotating it and not bending it (is that possible with a strong grip) when I take my grip?
The key alignment is that the Clubshaft be 'in line' with the Left Arm. This assures the Rhythm of the Stroke, i.e., the Left Arm and Club are traveling at the same RPM throughout the Downstroke (6-B-3-0).
If the Left Wrist is placed on the Grip in a Vertical Condition, then the Flat Left Wrist at Impact assures compliance with the 'in line' Left Arm and Shaft requirement. It also affords a visual confirmation of that compliance (4-D-1).
However, if you have Turned your Left Wrist when taking the Grip, then that precise amount of Wrist Turn becomes Wrist Bend at Impact. Hence, you have lost the visual check afforded by the Flat Left Wrist. However, as long as the Clubshaft has not passed the in-line condition with the Left Arm, you have complied with the Law of the Flail (2-K-#2) and maintained Rhythm. This compliance -- despite its lack of a visual check -- is known as the Geometric Flat Left Wrist.
The key alignment is that the Clubshaft be 'in line' with the Left Arm. This assures the Rhythm of the Stroke, i.e., the Left Arm and Club are traveling at the same RPM throughout the Downstroke (6-B-3-0).
If the Left Wrist is placed on the Grip in a Vertical Condition, then the Flat Left Wrist at Impact assures compliance with the 'in line' Left Arm and Shaft requirement. It also affords a visual confirmation of that compliance (4-D-1).
However, if you have Turned your Left Wrist when taking the Grip, then that precise amount of Wrist Turn becomes Wrist Bend at Impact. Hence, you have lost the visual check afforded by the Flat Left Wrist. However, as long as the Clubshaft has not passed the in-line condition with the Left Arm, you have complied with the Law of the Flail (2-K-#2) and maintained Rhythm. This compliance -- despite its lack of a visual check -- is known as the Geometric Flat Left Wrist.
The Flat left wrist or its EQUIVALENT defined. Colonel 12 Piece, herein lies the answer to the question I posed to you on more than one occassion: How can you have compliance to the Flying wedges with a 10-2-D grip? The Master has confirmed my theory perxactly!
The Flat left wrist or its EQUIVALENT defined. Colonel 12 Piece, herein lies the answer to the question I posed to you on more than one occassion: How can you have compliance to the Flying wedges with a 10-2-D grip? The Master has confirmed my theory perxactly!
Thanks Yoda, validation is sweet!
EC
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Hey Eddie, when ya gunna get your Bio up for us on the Pro Contributors page??? Pinehurst ought to be slowing a bit by now.
The Flat left wrist or its EQUIVALENT defined. Colonel 12 Piece, herein lies the answer to the question I posed to you on more than one occassion: How can you have compliance to the Flying wedges with a 10-2-D grip? The Master has confirmed my theory perxactly!
Thanks Yoda, validation is sweet!
EC
E . . . Fog is lifting and the sun is peaking through. Now we must meet again in Raleighwood so you can demo how 10-2-D "can SLING it into the groud."
My left hand just hangs TURNED naturally . . . I gotta make 10-2-D my friend. I was born with a 10-2-D left hand.
For the longest time when I studied TGM, read forums and books BLBG, I struggled with some of the concepts in practice. Not that I didn't understand what I read, BUT the concept in practice seemed to be not as it would be 'ideally' or in preception as in words. THEN...
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This compliance -- despite its lack of a visual check -- is known as the Geometric Flat Left Wrist.
This statement/description made a world of difference in my understanding and implementation of the principles of TGM.
Precision is a MUST but the references and measurements MUST be relative. In short, references to the target, the ball, the ground is not alway the relative reference points, that is really old school or traditional thinking in a lot of respect and the visual check points can be misleading.
I think that is when I fully started to appreciate 3-F-5 (Setting Up / Address Routine).
I still wonder at times if I am confusing position golf with alignment golf (e.g. clubface alignment at top or should it be the levers, hands, etc. cause the grip to clubface was set at address?)
Again Thank You Yoda, you have indeed made a complex subject understandable.
Again, thank you Yoda, you have indeed made a complex subject understandable.
Thank you, Martee, for your probing questions and discontent with an incomplete understanding. We are both pilgrims along the way, and I am pleased to help wherever I can.
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For the longest time when I studied TGM, read forums and books BLBG, I struggled with some of the concepts in practice. Not that I didn't understand what I read, BUT the concept in practice seemed to be not as it would be 'ideally' or in preception as in words. THEN...
This statement/description made a world of difference in my understanding and implementation of the principles of TGM.
Precision is a MUST but the references and measurements MUST be relative. In short, references to the target, the ball, the ground is not alway the relative reference points, that is really old school or traditional thinking in a lot of respect and the visual check points can be misleading.
Again Thank You Yoda, you have indeed made a complex subject understandable.
Good post Martee . . . .
Let's see what the book has to say about the relation of the Flat Left Wrist and the corresponding Left Arm Flying wedge . . .
6-B-3-0-1 THE FLYING WEDGES The Clubhead may appear to move in a an arc around and outside the Hands when related to the Left Arm – the very basic Left Arm Flying Wedge. So – except in Sections 1 and 3 (Chapter the entire Left Arm, the Clubshaft and the back of the Left Hand are ALWAYS positioned against the same flat plane – the Right Forearm and the Clubshaft are, in like manner, positioned on the plane of the Right Wrist Bend AT RIGHT ANGLES TO THE LEFT ARM PLANE. . Study 4-D-1 regarding “Grip” and “Flat Left Wrist”. Also see 7-3.
However in this case since we are discussing the TURNED LEFT HAND . . . the Left Hand and clubshaft are NOT positioned against the same flat plane BECAUSE the Left Hand is turned ON-TOP of the grip.
AND if we are assuming a 10-2-D grip, the Right Wrist Bend and Right Forearm are NOT AT RIGHT ANGLES TO THE LEFT ARM PLANE. They are as Mr. K says in 10-2-D:
Now the Right Wrist is Vertical and the Left Wrist is Turned to the top of the Clubshaft so that the Left Wristcocking motion will be on the same line as the Right Wrist Bend . . .Any Left Wrist Bend at Impact Fix should be maintained throughout the Stroke.
And per 2-P . . .
Wristcock is a Clubhead motion – not a Clubface motion. Only with a Turned Left Wrist, such as 10-2-D, can Uncocking be both motions, that is, actually Throwing the Clubface at the Ball.
But why is the CLUBFACE being THROwN if we abide by the advice to maintain the same amount of Left Wrist Bend throughout the Stroke?
AND if we are assuming a 10-2-D grip, the Right Wrist Bend and Right Forearm are NOT AT RIGHT ANGLES TO THE LEFT ARM PLANE.
Not so fast there, Colonel. The 10-2-D Grip mandates only a Turned Left Wrist. The Right Wrist remains Vertical and the precision alignments of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge remain intact.
Further, the Turned Left Wrist does not negate the true Plane of the Left Arm Flying Wedge, i.e., the Vertical Plane of the Left Wristcock Motion. The only difference from the Vertical Left Wrist version is that the Turned Left Wrist (cocked in a Vertical Plane) will produce a Double Wristcock. That is, the Left Wrist not only Cocks, it also Bends.
And the Right Forearm Flying Wedge is indeed placed perpendicular to this Plane of the Left Wrist Double-Cock Motion.
Not so fast there, Colonel. The 10-2-D Grip mandates only a Turned Left Wrist. The Right Wrist remains Vertical and the precision alignments of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge remain intact.
Further, the Turned Left Wrist does not negate the true Plane of the Left Arm Flying Wedge, i.e., the Vertical Plane of the Left Wristcock Motion. The only difference from the Vertical Left Wrist version is that the Turned Left Wrist (cocked in a Vertical Plane) will produce a Double Wristcock. That is, the Left Wrist not only Cocks, it also Bends.
And the Right Forearm Flying Wedge is indeed placed perpendicular to this Plane of the Left Wrist Double-Cock Motion.
Woops misunderstood that . . . I thought that the Right Forearm needed to at 90 degrees to the VERTICAL FLAT LEFT WRIST. Learning something here.
Why is 10-2-D release motion considered "throwing the Clubface at the ball?" Don't understand this . . . What does he mean?
I'm trying to reconcile these to quotes:
4-D-0 RELEASE MOTIONS . . . Normally, Uncocking is a function of the Wrists actuating the Clubhead (4-B). See 5-0 and 7-11. It has nothing to do with Clubface alignment at Impact – that is the function of the Hands, executing a Clubface Motion (4-C) – Accumulator #3 (2-G). Whenever the Wrist Motion (instead of Hand Motion) throws the Clubface at the ball, there will be Steering and Clubhead Throwaway.
AND
10-2-D STRONG DOUBLE ACTION . . . This Grip Type features maximum Wristcocking action and strong support for both Acceleration and Impact loads.
So 10-2-D grip Throws the CLUBFACE at the ball which sounds like a BAD thing pe 4-D-0. But then he says that 10-2-D provides strong support for acceleration and impact loads.
Just what is throwing the clubface at the ball . . . is good or bad or both?
Thanks!
Colonel B
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Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 12-06-2005 at 05:06 PM.
The key alignment is that the Clubshaft be 'in line' with the Left Arm. This assures the Rhythm of the Stroke, i.e., the Left Arm and Club are traveling at the same RPM throughout the Downstroke (6-B-3-0).
If the Left Wrist is placed on the Grip in a Vertical Condition, then the Flat Left Wrist at Impact assures compliance with the 'in line' Left Arm and Shaft requirement. It also affords a visual confirmation of that compliance (4-D-1).
However, if you have Turned your Left Wrist when taking the Grip, then that precise amount of Wrist Turn becomes Wrist Bend at Impact. Hence, you have lost the visual check afforded by the Flat Left Wrist. However, as long as the Clubshaft has not passed the in-line condition with the Left Arm, you have complied with the Law of the Flail (2-K-#2) and maintained Rhythm. This compliance -- despite its lack of a visual check -- is known as the Geometric Flat Left Wrist.
It is very satisfying to come back so soon after asking a question and having it answered... you guys are the best!
Yoda, a question concerning your answer... if I have effectively bent my wrist to grip the club haven't I violated one of the basics of G.O.L.F." If so what is the cost? I get that it is a "geometrical flat left wrist" but is there some cost associated with it and if so, how can I minimize it's effect?
Also does gripping the club vertically mean zero acuumulator #3 angle? Would a vertical left wrist be something I should take on learning? You can probably summize that I stregthened my grip years ago because of fundamental flaws in my swing anyhoo.
the entire Left Arm, the Clubshaft and the back of the Left Hand are ALWAYS positioned against the same flat plane – the Right Forearm and the Clubshaft are, in like manner, positioned on the plane of the Right Wrist Bend AT RIGHT ANGLES TO THE LEFT ARM PLANE. . Study 4-D-1 regarding “Grip” and “Flat Left Wrist”. Also see 7-3. 
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