For the longest time when I studied TGM, read forums and books BLBG, I struggled with some of the concepts in practice. Not that I didn't understand what I read, BUT the concept in practice seemed to be not as it would be 'ideally' or in preception as in words. THEN...
This statement/description made a world of difference in my understanding and implementation of the principles of TGM.
Precision is a MUST but the references and measurements MUST be relative. In short, references to the target, the ball, the ground is not alway the relative reference points, that is really old school or traditional thinking in a lot of respect and the visual check points can be misleading.
Again Thank You Yoda, you have indeed made a complex subject understandable.
Good post Martee . . . .
Let's see what the book has to say about the relation of the Flat Left Wrist and the corresponding Left Arm Flying wedge . . .
6-B-3-0-1 THE FLYING WEDGES The Clubhead may appear to move in a an arc around and outside the Hands when related to the Left Arm – the very basic Left Arm Flying Wedge. So – except in Sections 1 and 3 (Chapter the entire Left Arm, the Clubshaft and the back of the Left Hand are ALWAYS positioned against the same flat plane – the Right Forearm and the Clubshaft are, in like manner, positioned on the plane of the Right Wrist Bend AT RIGHT ANGLES TO THE LEFT ARM PLANE. . Study 4-D-1 regarding “Grip” and “Flat Left Wrist”. Also see 7-3.
However in this case since we are discussing the TURNED LEFT HAND . . . the Left Hand and clubshaft are NOT positioned against the same flat plane BECAUSE the Left Hand is turned ON-TOP of the grip.
AND if we are assuming a 10-2-D grip, the Right Wrist Bend and Right Forearm are NOT AT RIGHT ANGLES TO THE LEFT ARM PLANE. They are as Mr. K says in 10-2-D:
Now the Right Wrist is Vertical and the Left Wrist is Turned to the top of the Clubshaft so that the Left Wristcocking motion will be on the same line as the Right Wrist Bend . . .Any Left Wrist Bend at Impact Fix should be maintained throughout the Stroke.
And per 2-P . . .
Wristcock is a Clubhead motion – not a Clubface motion. Only with a Turned Left Wrist, such as 10-2-D, can Uncocking be both motions, that is, actually Throwing the Clubface at the Ball.
But why is the CLUBFACE being THROwN if we abide by the advice to maintain the same amount of Left Wrist Bend throughout the Stroke?
AND if we are assuming a 10-2-D grip, the Right Wrist Bend and Right Forearm are NOT AT RIGHT ANGLES TO THE LEFT ARM PLANE.
Not so fast there, Colonel. The 10-2-D Grip mandates only a Turned Left Wrist. The Right Wrist remains Vertical and the precision alignments of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge remain intact.
Further, the Turned Left Wrist does not negate the true Plane of the Left Arm Flying Wedge, i.e., the Vertical Plane of the Left Wristcock Motion. The only difference from the Vertical Left Wrist version is that the Turned Left Wrist (cocked in a Vertical Plane) will produce a Double Wristcock. That is, the Left Wrist not only Cocks, it also Bends.
And the Right Forearm Flying Wedge is indeed placed perpendicular to this Plane of the Left Wrist Double-Cock Motion.
Not so fast there, Colonel. The 10-2-D Grip mandates only a Turned Left Wrist. The Right Wrist remains Vertical and the precision alignments of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge remain intact.
Further, the Turned Left Wrist does not negate the true Plane of the Left Arm Flying Wedge, i.e., the Vertical Plane of the Left Wristcock Motion. The only difference from the Vertical Left Wrist version is that the Turned Left Wrist (cocked in a Vertical Plane) will produce a Double Wristcock. That is, the Left Wrist not only Cocks, it also Bends.
And the Right Forearm Flying Wedge is indeed placed perpendicular to this Plane of the Left Wrist Double-Cock Motion.
Woops misunderstood that . . . I thought that the Right Forearm needed to at 90 degrees to the VERTICAL FLAT LEFT WRIST. Learning something here.
Why is 10-2-D release motion considered "throwing the Clubface at the ball?" Don't understand this . . . What does he mean?
I'm trying to reconcile these to quotes:
4-D-0 RELEASE MOTIONS . . . Normally, Uncocking is a function of the Wrists actuating the Clubhead (4-B). See 5-0 and 7-11. It has nothing to do with Clubface alignment at Impact – that is the function of the Hands, executing a Clubface Motion (4-C) – Accumulator #3 (2-G). Whenever the Wrist Motion (instead of Hand Motion) throws the Clubface at the ball, there will be Steering and Clubhead Throwaway.
AND
10-2-D STRONG DOUBLE ACTION . . . This Grip Type features maximum Wristcocking action and strong support for both Acceleration and Impact loads.
So 10-2-D grip Throws the CLUBFACE at the ball which sounds like a BAD thing pe 4-D-0. But then he says that 10-2-D provides strong support for acceleration and impact loads.
Just what is throwing the clubface at the ball . . . is good or bad or both?
Thanks!
Colonel B
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Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 12-06-2005 at 05:06 PM.
Woops misunderstood that . . . I thought that the Right Forearm needed to at 90 degrees to the VERTICAL FLAT LEFT WRIST. Learning something here.
Why is 10-2-D release motion considered "throwing the Clubface at the ball?" Don't understand this . . . What does he mean?
I'm trying to reconcile these to quotes:
4-D-0 RELEASE MOTIONS . . . Normally, Uncocking is a function of the Wrists actuating the Clubhead (4-B). See 5-0 and 7-11. It has nothing to do with Clubface alignment at Impact – that is the function of the Hands, executing a Clubface Motion (4-C) – Accumulator #3 (2-G). Whenever the Wrist Motion (instead of Hand Motion) throws the Clubface at the ball, there will be Steering and Clubhead Throwaway.
AND
10-2-D STRONG DOUBLE ACTION . . . This Grip Type features maximum Wristcocking action and strong support for both Acceleration and Impact loads.
So 10-2-D grip Throws the CLUBFACE at the ball which sounds like a BAD thing pe 4-D-0. But then he says that 10-2-D provides strong support for acceleration and impact loads.
Just what is throwing the clubface at the ball . . . is good or bad or both?
Thanks!
Colonel B
I'll have a go at this, but I'm a non-expert so may be wrong...
With 10-2-D the turned left wrist mean that wrist cock is on plane without a swivel first, so uncocking the left wrist will throw not only the cubhead, but also the clubface at the ball. But with a strong single action grip and standard wrist action, one swivels then cocks, so the clubface turns away from the ball. In that case the uncocking of the left wrist only throws the clubhead at the ball - the clubface still has to roll into the ball - attempting to throw the clubface at the ball from this position (as well as the clubhead) results in a breakdown of the left wrist.
Basically with 10-2-D you can use a sort of hammering (uncocking) motion of the left wrist to hammer the clubhead and face into the ball because the clubface is perpendicular to the plane of the left wrist cock.
I'll have a go at this, but I'm a non-expert so may be wrong...
With 10-2-D the turned left wrist mean that wrist cock is on plane without a swivel first, so uncocking the left wrist will throw not only the cubhead, but also the clubface at the ball. But with a strong single action grip and standard wrist action, one swivels then cocks, so the clubface turns away from the ball. In that case the uncocking of the left wrist only throws the clubhead at the ball - the clubface still has to roll into the ball - attempting to throw the clubface at the ball from this position (as well as the clubhead) results in a breakdown of the left wrist.
Basically with 10-2-D you can use a sort of hammering (uncocking) motion of the left wrist to hammer the clubhead and face into the ball because the clubface is perpendicular to the plane of the left wrist cock.
Hope this helps.
Chris
Thanks Chris! Very good analysis! Sounded pretty "expert" to me. That is kind of the same thing I was thinking. Since the Left Hand is TURNED there is no need for Start Up Swivel in Swinging as you point out.
To me it would also stand to reason that any Release Swivel coulc be disasterous guaranteeing that the Clubface hit the OUTSIDE quadrant of the ball. FORE LEFT!!!!!
As far as the HAMMERING motion, with the "preferred" 10-2-B grip, the HAMMERING is a VERTICAL hammer. But with 10-2-D would the HAMMERING be a bit more "side armed" or "angled"? During Impact and Separation the Left Hand would still be TURNED and not ROLLED to maintained the prescribed PADDLEWHEEL motion?
Why is 10-2-D release motion considered "throwing the Clubface at the ball?" Don't understand this . . . What does he mean?
I'm trying to reconcile these to quotes:
4-D-0 RELEASE MOTIONS . . . Normally, Uncocking is a function of the Wrists actuating the Clubhead (4-B). See 5-0 and 7-11. It has nothing to do with Clubface alignment at Impact – that is the function of the Hands, executing a Clubface Motion (4-C) – Accumulator #3 (2-G). Whenever the Wrist Motion (instead of Hand Motion) throws the Clubface at the ball, there will be Steering and Clubhead Throwaway.
AND
10-2-D STRONG DOUBLE ACTION . . . This Grip Type features maximum Wristcocking action and strong support for both Acceleration and Impact loads.
So 10-2-D grip Throws the CLUBFACE at the ball which sounds like a BAD thing pe 4-D-0. But then he says that 10-2-D provides strong support for acceleration and impact loads.
Just what is throwing the clubface at the ball . . . is good or bad or both?
Colonel,
Put a 10-2-D Grip -- Left Wrist Turned On Plane -- on a hammer whose head faces to the left. Then, drive a nail into a wall on your left. That is 'Throwing the Clubface at the Ball'. And it's a good thing. In fact, if you've got a 10-2-D Grip, it's the only thing! Through Impact, there is only Uncocking (Wrist Motion) and zero Roll (Hand Motion).
The quote from 4-D-0 (Release Motions) assumes the 10-2-B Grip (Left Wrist Vertical to the ground). Unlike the Release Motion required by the 10-2-D Grip (Wrist Motion only), the On Plane Uncocking of the Left Wrist (Wrist Motion) must be followed by the Roll of the #3 Accumulator Angle (Hand Motion). This Sequenced Release simultaneously returns the Left Wrist to Vertical and Squares the Clubface.
To alternatively square the Clubface by 'throwing' the Club past a Bending Left Wrist -- a Horizontal Wrist Motion -- is as disastrous as it is common. This is a different 'throw' -- ThrowAWAY! -- and it is far different than the Swinger's Release Wrist Throw (a Perpendicular Wrist Motion).
Put a 10-2-D Grip -- Left Wrist Turned On Plane -- on a hammer whose head faces to the left. Then, drive a nail into a wall on your left. That is 'Throwing the Clubface at the Ball'. And it's a good thing. In fact, if you've got a 10-2-D Grip, it's the only thing! Through Impact, there is only Uncocking (Wrist Motion) and zero Roll (Hand Motion).
The quote from 4-D-0 (Release Motions) assumes the 10-2-B Grip (Left Wrist Vertical to the ground). Unlike the Release Motion required by the 10-2-D Grip (Wrist Motion only), the On Plane Uncocking of the Left Wrist (Wrist Motion) must be followed by the Roll of the #3 Accumulator Angle (Hand Motion). This Sequenced Release simultaneously returns the Left Wrist to Vertical and Squares the Clubface.
To alternatively square the Clubface by 'throwing' the Club past a Bending Left Wrist -- a Horizontal Wrist Motion -- is as disastrous as it is common. This is a different 'throw' -- ThrowAWAY! -- and it is far different than the Swinger's Release Wrist Throw (a Perpendicular Wrist Motion).
Thank you Eddie! Thank you Yoda! Thank you Tong! Thank you Chris!
I have been marginally retarded on 10-2-D for about 10 months. I knew there was something I was missing. Now I got it! Mission Complete!!!!
Put a 10-2-D Grip -- Left Wrist Turned On Plane -- on a hammer whose head faces to the left. Then, drive a nail into a wall on your left. That is 'Throwing the Clubface at the Ball'. And it's a good thing. In fact, if you've got a 10-2-D Grip, it's the only thing! Through Impact, there is only Uncocking (Wrist Motion) and zero Roll (Hand Motion).
The quote from 4-D-0 (Release Motions) assumes the 10-2-B Grip (Left Wrist Vertical to the ground). Unlike the Release Motion required by the 10-2-D Grip (Wrist Motion only), the On Plane Uncocking of the Left Wrist (Wrist Motion) must be followed by the Roll of the #3 Accumulator Angle (Hand Motion). This Sequenced Release simultaneously returns the Left Wrist to Vertical and Squares the Clubface.
To alternatively square the Clubface by 'throwing' the Club past a Bending Left Wrist -- a Horizontal Wrist Motion -- is as disastrous as it is common. This is a different 'throw' -- ThrowAWAY! -- and it is far different than the Swinger's Release Wrist Throw (a Perpendicular Wrist Motion).
One thing I really think I suffer from and would like to minimize is throwaway. Can the 10-2-D grip make throwaway more likely to occur?
One thing I really think I suffer from and would like to minimize is throwaway. Can the 10-2-D grip make throwaway more likely to occur?
Michael
If anything Michael, having a 10-2-D makes it harder to have improper impact alignments.
For my students with chronic throwaway problems, I always assign them some quality time chipping with a 10-2-D grip followed by a cross handed (10-1-E: strong right hand action cannot overpower the flat left wrist) grip.
Once mastered, impact fallout is almost impossible!
the entire Left Arm, the Clubshaft and the back of the Left Hand are ALWAYS positioned against the same flat plane – the Right Forearm and the Clubshaft are, in like manner, positioned on the plane of the Right Wrist Bend AT RIGHT ANGLES TO THE LEFT ARM PLANE. . Study 4-D-1 regarding “Grip” and “Flat Left Wrist”. Also see 7-3. 
Hybrid Mode
