Average Joe

[Yoda]

How good can Joe Average get and how much time will it take?

From 25,000 hours on the tee:

Getting to make a better swing and look like a golfer - 15min. to 2hours

Breaking 100 regularly (if you never have) - less than one year

Break 90 regularly (starting from 100+) - less than 3 years

Break 80 regularly (starting from 100+) - less than 5 years

Assuming an average condition man 35-55, five lessons a year, one bucket a week in season, 20+ rounds per season.

And a good FITTED set of clubs.

Good stuff from a man who knows. Thanks, Brian.

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"You know it ain't easy,
You know how hard it can be."

-- The Ballad of John and Yoko
John Lennon

[12 piece bucket]

I don't know what the rest of we will say.

But I do know what Homer Kelley said.

And he said:

"If you can keep your Left Wrist Flat through Impact, you will break 80 tomorrow."

In fact, that is exactly what he did in 1941. After only five months of golf, he shot a 77 on a championship course. His book -- The Golfing Machine® -- was born because he could not explain how he did it. Nor could he find anyone else who could. And because he didn't know, he immediately reverted to his old, high-handicap form. The "sweeping" Feel he had that day soon became a distant memory.

Sixteen years later, he discovered the Flat Left Wrist. Only then did he remember what the pro had told him:

"Semi-lock your left wrist through impact."

That is what Homer had done those many years before.

And a 77 is what he got.

Flat Left Wrist, anyone?

How good can Joe Average get and how much time will it take?

From 25,000 hours on the tee:

Getting to make a better swing and look like a golfer - 15min. to 2hours

Breaking 100 regularly (if you never have) - less than one year

Break 90 regularly (starting from 100+) - less than 3 years

Break 80 regularly (starting from 100+) - less than 5 years

Assuming an average condition man 35-55, five lessons a year, one bucket a week in season, 20+ rounds per season.

And a good FITTED set of clubs.

Yoda and Brian!

Now this precisely the kind of OPTIMISM I am looking for! On other forums when this question is alluded to some teachers are saying "Well students are A.D.D. they'll never get it." It's frustrating to hear this kind of poor mouthing. I mean come on! We are armed with THE BEST information period bar none in golf!

I'm glad that our two FEARLESS LEADERS brimming with confidence are also FEARLESS BELIEVERS in what they teach! Good to see that the brass is willing to EAT THEIR OWN DAWG FOOD!!!

I'm in total agreement that Average Joe can be turned into the Swan! Most are out hear trying to break their glass ceiling 90, 80 or 70. At the end of the day you gotta write down a number. Glad that you have enough belief in your info, ability to teach and ultimately BELIEF IN YOUR STUDENT. Cause if the teacher don't believe, how can the student?

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

[12 piece bucket]

Good idea, Colonel,

What would you like to see in the TGM template for Game improvement?

From my perspective, most Average Joes (like me) have a limited amount of time. G.O.L.F. competes with the boss, the nag, and the brats. Even though I'm the never going to be the posterboy for organization, I think we need to give Joe a STRUCTURE to operate in rather than just pounding balls for an hour.

I think the first step would be to have some sort of Strength and Weakness Analysis. The Analysis could be measured on BOTH Shot Making (including chipping/pitching/putting) AND the Integrity of One's Critical Alignments. So we get Playing and the Alignment Baselines. From there figure out where to focus the limited amount of practice time.

Then break it down into Full Shots, Pitch, Chip and Putt. Maybe come up with tests to track your progress.

So maybe if you can't hit X number of Pitch Shots in a 6 foot circle then you work on the following Y.

Or maybe if you can't hit chip shots without bending your Left Wrist you do X (dowel work/impact bag/mop dragging) etc.

I would LOVE to hear others thoughts on this . . .

Thanks!

Bucket

[Yoda]

Cause if the teacher don't believe, how can the student?

Colonel 12 Piece ,

I address this issue in a soon-to-be-published interview with Australia's largest golf website, www.iseekgolf.com. Stay tuned!

[brianmanzella]

Two examples of what can happen:

Worst golfer I ever taught, A.D.

He could not have possibly broke 113 on a 113 slope course (national mean).

He took 47 lessons from October 1990 to April 1991.

On a par 70 course, he shot 89, putting poorly.


A tennis pro came to me. Brian can you get me to break 80 in 4 months. His lowest score in only about 10 total rounds ever was 98.

He took 4 lessons a wek for 4 months and practiced a LOT.

He had 5 tries to break 80 to win his bet with a pal.

On a tough par-72, 7000 yds., he shot 76 in the third round.


It CAN be done.

[12 piece bucket]

How good can Joe Average get and how much time will it take?

From 25,000 hours on the tee:


Break 80 regularly (starting from 100+) - less than 5 years

Assuming an average condition man 35-55, five lessons a year, one bucket a week in season, 20+ rounds per season.

And a good FITTED set of clubs.

For most this is the HOLY GRAIL! What is the Manzella Process on this 5 Year Plan? Or is that Double Top Secret?

If you can produce a Book/DVD's on the Manzella Process to get people there in 5 years, you will be the richest man in golf. We can talk Bent Plane Lines and Pressure Points all day long, but at the end of the day . . . this is what people WANT!

[brianmanzella]

Two examples of what can happen:

Worst golfer I ever taught, A.D.

He could not have possibly broke 113 on a 113 slope course (national mean).

He took 47 lessons from October 1990 to April 1991.

On a par 70 course, he shot 89, putting poorly.


A tennis pro came to me. Brian can you get me to break 80 in 4 months?

His lowest score in only about 10 total rounds ever was 98.

He took 4 lessons a week for 4 months and practiced a LOT.

He had 5 tries to break 80 to win his bet with a pal.

On a tough par-72, 7000 yds., he shot 76 in the third round.


It CAN be done.

[Yoda]

A tennis pro came to me. Brian can you get me to break 80 in 4 months. His lowest score in only about 10 total rounds ever was 98.

He took 4 lessons a wek fro 4 months and practiced a LOT.

He had 5 tries to break 80 to win his bet with a pal.

On a tough par-72, 7000 yds., he shot 76 in the third round.


It CAN be done.

For decades now, tennis players have been told that their stiff-wristed, right forearm smashes are ruinous in golf.

Homer Kelley always maintained otherwise.

And now Brian has presented us with this proof positive.

[12 piece bucket]

Two examples of what can happen:

A tennis pro came to me. Brian can you get me to break 80 in 4 months?

His lowest score in only about 10 total rounds ever was 98.

He took 4 lessons a week for 4 months and practiced a LOT.

He had 5 tries to break 80 to win his bet with a pal.

On a tough par-72, 7000 yds., he shot 76 in the third round.


It CAN be done.

Sweet! What was the recipe for success? 76 on 7000 yarder is nothing to sneeze at for anybody not on TV on Sunday.

Details . . . Need Details . . .

[EdZ]

Brian,

How about a 5 handicap trying to get to scratch?

short game, short game, short game....

visualize every shot and don't hit it until you have 'seen' it go in. Watch the image in 'real time'.