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Old 01-13-2006, 08:50 PM
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Why is Pressure Point #2 used in 12-5-1 if there is no Accumulator #2?
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Old 01-13-2006, 11:10 PM
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Drag Or Drive -- Pick A Pressure Point
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Why is Pressure Point #2 used in 12-5-1 if there is no Accumulator #2?
For Swingers, with or without Wristcock, the #2 Pressure Point Drag Loads the Secondary Lever (the Club / 6-A-3).

For Hitters, with or without Wristcock, the #3 Pressure Point Drive Loads the entire Primary Lever Assembly (the Left Arm and Club / 6-A-2).
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Old 01-14-2006, 05:53 AM
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Should PP#2 really be in 12-5-1?
Originally Posted by Yoda
For Swingers, with or without Wristcock, the #2 Pressure Point Drag Loads the Secondary Lever (the Club / 6-A-3).

For Hitters, with or without Wristcock, the #3 Pressure Point Drive Loads the entire Primary Lever Assembly (the Left Arm and Club / 6-A-2).
So I take it that Hitters can say goodbye to Pressure Point #2.

Also, you said earlier that Accumulators #2 and #3 should be zeroed out when using 12-5-1. Which means the club should be gripped in the cup of the left hand (rather than in the heel pad as usual). With that in mind, Pressure Point #2 (last three fingers of the left hand) isn't even on the club! So how can PP#2 be used even for the Swinger?

Thanks for your clarification Yoda
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Old 01-14-2006, 10:32 AM
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So I take it that Hitters can say goodbye to Pressure Point #2.

Also, you said earlier that Accumulators #2 and #3 should be zeroed out when using 12-5-1. Which means the club should be gripped in the cup of the left hand (rather than in the heel pad as usual). With that in mind, Pressure Point #2 (last three fingers of the left hand) isn't even on the club! So how can PP#2 be used even for the Swinger?

Thanks for your clarification Yoda
You got me wondering now too. I don't understand why you would adjust the grip different for 12-5-1, 12-5-2 and 12-5-3? I may have this wrong, but I havent been doing it this way and when I demonstrated this with Yoda, I don't believe he had me change, gotta go back to notes here.
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Old 01-15-2006, 01:47 PM
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Why Zero #3 Accumulator In The Basic Motion?
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I don't understand why you would adjust the grip different for 12-5-1, 12-5-2 and 12-5-3?
Actually, the major alignments of the Strong Single Action Grip (10-2-B) do not change in the Basic Motion Stroke of 12-5-1. The Left Hand remains Vertical; the Right Hand remains Vertical; and both Pressure Points #2 and #3 remain on the aft side of the Clubshaft and On Plane. There is, however, a distinct difference (from the norm) in the alignment of the Clubshaft with the Left Arm. This is done deliberately and for a dual purpose.

With the Club located normally under the heel of the Left Hand, any Turn and Roll of the Left Wrist causes the Clubhead to 'travel' as it seeks to maintain its In Line condition with the Left Arm. This is not Lever Extension (the shortening and lengthening of the Swing Radius via the Left Wristcock). Instead, it is Rhythm -- the true Overtaking Action (of the Hands by the Club) during the Release Interval ('Through the Ball').

Conversely, when the Club is gripped in the cup of the Left Hand (or, alternatively, when the Left Wrist is fully Uncocked), any Turn and Roll of the Left Wrist actuates only the Clubface (and not the Clubhead). Thus, the Overtaking Action with its Clubhead travel and Rotational Power (4-C) is eliminated (6-B-3-A). And this, by Basic Motion definition, is our objective in a One Accumulator Stroke that uses either the Left Arm or the Right as the sole Power Source.

Also, the Basic Motion of 12-5-1 introduces Hand Motion (Items #20 and #21), i.e., the Hinge Action (Clubface Control) and its Rhythm (Left Arm and Clubshaft remaining In Line). With Zero #3 Accumulator, all three Hinge Actions have identical Clubhead travel distances to the end of the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight position) and hence, identical Rhythms. This allows the player to focus only on the Left Wrist alignment necessary to produce the desired Clubface Motion without concern for Clubhead travel differences.

So, to limit Clubhead Power and to simplify Clubface Control, Accumulator #3 is eliminated in the Basic Motion.
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Old 01-14-2006, 01:23 PM
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More On Pressure Points -- Hitting And Swinging
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So I take it that Hitters can say goodbye to Pressure Point #2.
Other than the normal pressure necessary to secure the Left Hand Grip (1-L #3), the Hitter does not employ Pressure Point #2. In Full Strokes, the Swinger Loads the Left Wrist (and Pressure Points #2 and #3) to Drag centrifugally the Secondary Lever (the Club only). The Hitter Loads the Right Elbow (and Pressure Points #1 and #3) to Drive muscularly the Primary Lever (the Left Arm and Club). The latter is true even in Wristcock Strokes: Pressure Point #3 drives the #2 Accumulator (as opposed to the Swinger's normal application of the #2 Pressure Point driving the associated #2 Power Accumulator). This illustrates the Interchangeability of Power Accumulators and Pressure Points (10-11-0-5).

In the Stage One Basic Motion, there is no Left Wristcock. Hence, the Primary Lever Assembly remains in its In Line condition (Centrifugal Momentum 2-K#2). The player then uses either (1) the Left Arm to Pull the Secondary Lever through Impact (Swinging); or (2) the Right Arm to Push the Primary Lever through Impact (Hitting).

The Swinger Pulls the Secondary Lever toward the Plane Line centrifugally (as if the Clubshaft was a piece of rope) via Pressure Point #2. The Hitter Pushes the Primary Lever toward the Plane Line muscularly (as if the Left Arm and Clubshaft were one solid piece of board) by the thrust of the Right Elbow against Pressure Point #3.

Hitter's caveat:

Normally, the Left Arm is driven by the Thrust of the #1 Accumulator (Right Elbow) against the #1 Pressure Point (the heel of the Right Hand against the Left Hand thumb). Simultaneously, the Clubshaft is driven also by the Right Elbow but now against Pressure Point #3 (the right forefinger).

When only Pressure Point #3 is employed, the Right Elbow must drive both the Left Arm and the Clubshaft using that lone Pressure Point (1-L #7). This means that the Acceleration Thrust must be applied equally against both the Left Arm and Club (and not merely the Club alone). Otherwise, the Left Wrist Bends, the Club swings forward independently of the Left Arm and the shot is lost (1-L #8 ).
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Other than the normal pressure necessary to secure the Left Hand Grip (1-L #3), the Hitter does not employ Pressure Point #2. In Full Strokes, the Swinger Loads the Left Wrist (and Pressure Points #2 and #3) to Drag centrifugally the Secondary Lever (the Club only). The Hitter Loads the Right Elbow (and Pressure Points #1 and #3) to Drive muscularly the Primary Lever (the Left Arm and Club). The latter is true even in Wristcock Strokes: Pressure Point #3 drives the #2 Accumulator (as opposed to the Swinger's normal application of the #2 Pressure Point driving the associated #2 Power Accumulator). This illustrates the Interchangeability of Power Accumulators and Pressure Points (10-11-0-5).

In the Stage One Basic Motion, there is no Left Wristcock. Hence, the Primary Lever Assembly remains in its In Line condition (Centrifugal Momentum 2-K#2). The player then uses either (1) the Left Arm to Pull the Secondary Lever through Impact (Swinging); or (2) the Right Arm to Push the Primary Lever through Impact (Hitting).

The Swinger Pulls the Secondary Lever toward the Plane Line centrifugally (as if the Clubshaft was a piece of rope) via Pressure Point #2. The Hitter Pushes the Primary Lever toward the Plane Line muscularly (as if the Left Arm and Clubshaft were one solid piece of board) by the thrust of the Right Elbow against Pressure Point #3.

Hitter's caveat:

Normally, the Left Arm is driven by the Thrust of the #1 Accumulator (Right Elbow) against the #1 Pressure Point (the heel of the Right Hand against the Left Hand thumb). Simultaneously, the Clubshaft is driven also by the Right Elbow but now against Pressure Point #3 (the right forefinger).

When only Pressure Point #3 is employed, the Right Elbow must drive both the Left Arm and the Clubshaft using that lone Pressure Point (1-L #7). This means that the Acceleration Thrust must be applied equally against both the Left Arm and Club (and not merely the Club alone). Otherwise, the Left Wrist Bends, the Club swings forward independently of the Left Arm and the shot is lost (1-L #8 ).

This one should go in the 'sticky' category - wonderful post!

Yoda - does this difference indicate then that a hitter may actually be better off with zero accumulator #2, and a swinger with 'max' accumulator #2 (Hogan)? It would certainly seem to differentiate loading preferences being near opposites of each other. The swinger with the 'early' set perhaps.
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Old 01-15-2006, 02:57 PM
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Actuating The #2 Accumulator
Originally Posted by EdZ

Yoda - does this difference indicate then that a hitter may actually be better off with zero accumulator #2, and a swinger with 'max' accumulator #2 (Hogan)? It would certainly seem to differentiate loading preferences being near opposites of each other. The swinger with the 'early' set perhaps.
For Maximum Power, both Hitter and Swinger need the mechanical advantage afforded by the Wristcock. The difference between the two is in how that Assembly is actuated: The Hitter uses the Right Elbow to Cock and Uncock the Left Wrist. The Swinger uses Centrifugal Force.

Regarding a "'max' #2 Accumulator," the Wrist is considered to be in a Cocked condition any time it moves beyond the Level (a straight line is formed from the wrist bone to the edge of the hand) to its maximum Cocked condition. It matters little how much that Wristcock varies from player to player. What is important is that if the Wrist is Cocked, it should be fully Cocked. This eliminates the 'wobble' inherent in the less-than-full condition.

Regarding Hogan's Wristcock, remember, the Wrist Cock is a Perpendicular Motion. It is not Wrist Bend, a Horizontal Motion. When the Grip is taken with the Left Hand Turned, the amount of Left Wrist Turn properly becomes Left Wrist Bend at the Top (4-D-1). This is a Double Wrist Cock (10-18-B), and it is restricted to true Swingers (those who depend solely upon Centrifugal Force to align both Clubface and Clubshaft).

Ben Hogan employed this Turned Left Hand and Double Wristcock procedure in his early days, and it is readily seen in the sequence photographs of his first book, Power Golf. Later, in an effort to combat his tendency to Hook, he made two significant changes to his Grip: First, he moved the Left Hand from Turned to Vertical. Normally, this Grip produces a Single Action -- Wristcock Only. However, Hogan added a Wrist Bend at the Top thinking that he could now Roll his Wrists through Impact as hard as he wanted, and the Ball still would not Hook.

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Old 01-15-2006, 03:52 PM
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It matters little how much that Wristcock varies from player to player. What is important is that if the Wrist is Cocked, it should be fully Cocked. This eliminates the 'wobble' inherent in the less-than-full condition.
I find that hard to swallow, except for full Power Strokes.

For example, when using 12-5-2, we introduce Accumulator #2.

Can you imagine this amount of Wrist Cock for a basic pitch shot?

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Originally Posted by Yoda
For Maximum Power, both Hitter and Swinger need the mechanical advantage afforded by the Wristcock. The difference between the two is in how that Assembly is actuated: The Hitter uses the Right Elbow to Cock and Uncock the Left Wrist. The Swinger uses Centrifugal Force.

Regarding a "'max' #2 Accumulator," the Wrist is considered to be in a Cocked condition any time it moves beyond the Level (a straight line is formed from the wrist bone to the edge of the hand) to its maximum Cocked condition. It matters little how much that Wristcock varies from player to player. What is important is that if the Wrist is Cocked, it should be fully Cocked. This eliminates the 'wobble' inherent in the less-than-full condition.
Yoda,

I have been incubating the above on "maxing-out" the #2 Accumulator. Is this in the book? This is a significantly different feel for me. It is almost like a double shot of Extensor Action. If I Cock the Left Wrist 'til I can't no more, you are SPOT ON . . . the WOBBLE IS GONE!

With the fully-cocked #2, I can feel the #1 and #3 pressure points much more prominently. I guess based on the selected procedure you either Drive or Pull this structure down plane.

Is there any danger in "holding on" with this if you haven't had the max'ed out feel before?

Thanks!

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