Take a look again at the two pictures showing the 'centers' - the left shoulder, and the base of neck/top of spine.
Notice that these are both from a face on perspective, with all lines running parallel (feet, knees, hips, shoulders).
Can you imagine a way in which BOTH of these sets of pictures would be true, depending on your point of view?
This is one of the reasons I personally love the putting setups of Ben Crenshaw and Greg Norman.
They set their feet about 45 degrees 'open' and close together.
They stand fairly tall, arms hanging with the 'shoulder line' square to the intended target. Left arm in line with the shaft.
When you look at them 'face on' (perpendicular to their shoulder line) - you will see one of the two perspectives VJ posted.
When you look at them 'foot on' (perpendicular to their foot line) - you will see the other perspective VJ has posted.
Both views can be seen - depending on your perspective.
Note that this open foot line is beneficial in two important ways. 1) it will help you get your eyes 'on plane' and 2) it will help you feel the right hand 'underhanded' toss motion.
You have the option of using a shoulder powered stroke, or a right arm powered stroke from this setup.
The caveat of course is that special attention must be paid to your shoulder alignment - something that is true for all shots, but made more difficult by the open foot line.
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The light bulb just went on with regard to a couple of things, so thank you. I work closely with Geoff Mangum, but it is extremely beneficial to get your(and others) perspective on tilted plane approaches, and the understanding gleaned therein.
Is there one 'dynamic' loft we should be striving for?
Ed,
I'm interested as to how the eyes will be more on plane because of an open stance. I understand that there is some argument with lead eye dominance.
The light bulb just went on with regard to a couple of things, so thank you. I work closely with Geoff Mangum, but it is extremely beneficial to get your(and others) perspective on tilted plane approaches, and the understanding gleaned therein.
Is there one 'dynamic' loft we should be striving for?
Ed,
I'm interested as to how the eyes will be more on plane because of an open stance. I understand that there is some argument with lead eye dominance.
I can only speak for my own experience on the eye alignment, however I find that when I stand in a traditional 'square' alignment, my eyeline tends to tilt out to the right by about 45 degrees. I am 'very' left eye dominant, which as you point out, could be a key reason for this. Also, I think the open alginment helps you see distances better, because you can use more of a 'both eye' view during your routine. Snead putted with a side saddle approach in part because of this benefit (and of course, the 'straight on' stroke you can use). I'll leave the technical bits to those that know more about vision however.
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"This involves the Angles of Approach (2-J-3) established by the LEFT-SHOULDER-TO-BALL relationship of the Lever Assemblies."
"If the Ball is struck before Low Point with an upstroke Motion (most obvious with the Putter) disrupting the Clubhead Orbit and the Hinging, then the Ball and the Clubhead Path become circles "exterior" to each other (like two meshing gears)and the line of Compression rotates away and produces a no-spin floater, or Lob Shot. The circle of the ball must be "interior" to the circle of the Clubface orbit and as immoveable as in a spinning centrifuge."
Basing ball positioning off the feet is dangerous, haphazard, and confusing. There is no allowance of a stance which allows for a player to have two seperate low points while using the same stroke. THERE IS NO LOW POINT OF THE FEET.
If it makes us aim better, rock on!!!!! But don't confuse it with low point.
PS- Now we need Lynn to tell us what "circles exterior" to each other are. GO LYNN GO!!!!
"If the Ball is struck before Low Point with an upstroke Motion (most obvious with the Putter) disrupting the Clubhead Orbit and the Hinging, then the Ball and the Clubhead Path become circles "exterior" to each other (like two meshing gears)and the line of Compression rotates away and produces a no-spin floater, or Lob Shot. The circle of the ball must be "interior" to the circle of the Clubface orbit and as immoveable as in a spinning centrifuge."
PS- Now we need Lynn to tell us what "circles exterior" to each other are. GO LYNN GO!!!!
In a true Three-Dimensional Impact (Down, Out and Forward), the circumference of the Ball lies interior to (or "inside") the circumference of the Clubhead orbit. Specifically, the Ball lies interior to the orbit of the Leading Edge of the Clubface. Thus, during Impact, the Clubface and Ball become one unit within the same orbit, welded together at the Point of Compression.
In the Upstroke Motion described above, the circumference of the Ball lies exterior to (or "outside) the circumference of the Clubhead orbit. This means that the Ball will be struck by the Leading Edge itself and cannot be 'trapped' within its orbit. Thus, the Compression Point is lost, and the Ball simply rotates away.
In a true Three-Dimensional Impact (Down, Out and Forward), the circumference of the Ball lies interior to (or "inside") the circumference of the Clubhead orbit. Specifically, the Ball lies interior to the orbit of the Leading Edge of the Clubface. Thus, during Impact, the Clubface and Ball become one unit within the same orbit, welded together at the Point of Compression.
In the Upstroke Motion described above, the circumference of the Ball lies exterior to (or "outside) the circumference of the Clubhead orbit. This means that the Ball will be struck by the Leading Edge itself and cannot be 'trapped' within its orbit. Thus, the Compression Point is lost, and the Ball simply rotates away.
Will the Clubface and Ball be welded together (same Impact and Separation points) during Impact with the uncentered motion of Angled Hinging? What implications, if any, does this have on the interior/exterior argument above?
All strokes have the BACK, UP, and IN... DOWN, OUT, and FORWARD.
How much emphasis should be on the DOWN in PUTTING? I have heard several well known instructors, including Stan Utley, mention that they hit DOWN on their putts.
In a true Three-Dimensional Impact (Down, Out and Forward), the circumference of the Ball lies interior to (or "inside") the circumference of the Clubhead orbit. Specifically, the Ball lies interior to the orbit of the Leading Edge of the Clubface. Thus, during Impact, the Clubface and Ball become one unit within the same orbit, welded together at the Point of Compression.
In the Upstroke Motion described above, the circumference of the Ball lies exterior to (or "outside) the circumference of the Clubhead orbit. This means that the Ball will be struck by the Leading Edge itself and cannot be 'trapped' within its orbit. Thus, the Compression Point is lost, and the Ball simply rotates away.
Originally Posted by tongzilla
Will the Clubface and Ball be welded together (same Impact and Separation points) during Impact with the uncentered motion of Angled Hinging? What implications, if any, does this have on the interior/exterior argument above?
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