Thanks for your expertise Coop. I'm working daily on my right arm swing (or whatever it is!) at the moment, and it is feeling very good. I love the simplicity of this move. For me the hard part is learning not-to-do with the body. I'm pretty much self-taught and my first training manual was Swing Like a Pro - slide and turn the hips to initiate the downswing. This really didn't work for me and now I have to really work on stopping crazy hip and shoulder actions in my downswing! One of the(many) things I like about the Tomasello motion, is you seem to hit pretty good body positions even though its all reactive to the right arm movement.
Originally Posted by coophitter
The right humerus probably initiates the right arm swing more so than the triceps, rendering right forearm action as more passive than Kelley or Tomasello thought during normal Hitting or "right arm swinging" strokes.
This is instructive for me. Instinctively the right arm motion on longer shots at least, seems to want to start from the right shoulder, followed pretty quickly by an unbending of the right elbow (but this moevement can be quite passive). Its good to know this is OK.
Interesting note from Tomasello's July 1991 interview in Golf Illustrated....
"Detrators--and there have been many--condemn the system as hopelessly complex and impossible to put into practical use (comments about TGM). A.J Tomasello is one of the very few (that includes Yoda )who have been able to break down this intimidating array of laws into a few basic movements that, far from being impossilbe, can leave a student asking "Can the golf swing really be this simple?....
Then the interview concludes:
GI: How long before a student makes significant improvement?
Tomasello: I can give you documented examples of golfers with no previous record of success who started winning tournaments at various levels almost immediately. But the learning is never ending. The amount of time and dedication the golfer puts in determines how far he or she can go.
A comment from a Tomasello student...
"I started working with Tom Tomasello on The Golfing Machine in March 1984. At the time I was in danger of losing my tour card. I finished the year qualifying in 15 of the last 17 events and climbed from 250 to 35 on the Money list".
Jodie Mudd PGA TOUR
Sounds like this stuff works...
Coophitter,
I feel the right tricep in the right arm swing and the left arm swing is passive...it (right triceps) reacts to the triggering action of the right forearm (in a right arm accelerated stroke)...the Magic of the Right Forearm. I do not think about the right triceps at ALL, they just supply muscle power on their own just like they would in a momentum transfer swing. I believe that's why Tomasello used this approach...it has the advantage of using the dominant arm but it also produces accurate shots like the momentum transfer swing. Power and Accuracy....what more do you want.....one Burbon, one Scotch, one Beer, maybe....or maybe just a Bud Light!!!!! To GO....no standing at the bar, we've got golf shots to hitttttttttt.........
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 03-17-2006 at 08:42 PM.
The Tomasello Procedure does work. I had a very different FEELING or SENSATION of a golf stroke when using IT. At first IT may seem to go against what you have been previously taught, so IT may be difficult to let yourself go with the procedure.
IT IS MORE OF A BODY RESPONSE PROCEDURE.
If you are having fun and playing well using this procedure... well that is what golf is about.
I've been working on this 'right-hand' swing as well; it is the truth. My iron shots are so crisp that the sound of impact gives me a headache.
After reading this particular thread yesterday and watching a the Tomasello video on the arms. I went home picked up a club and concentrated on letting my right elbow dominate my downswing as oppose to my left side, the difference was immediate and making good contact with the ball seemed almost effortless. I'm just starting out learning about TGM. But out of all the "methods" and theories there are out there this one seems the most logical and comprehensive out there. I'm excited about learning more about this.
After reading this particular thread yesterday and watching a the Tomasello video on the arms. I went home picked up a club and concentrated on letting my right elbow dominate my downswing as oppose to my left side, the difference was immediate and making good contact with the ball seemed almost effortless. I'm just starting out learning about TGM. But out of all the "methods" and theories there are out there this one seems the most logical and comprehensive out there. I'm excited about learning more about this.
ce_me_golf,
Here are a few words from Tommy Tomasello in his 1991 Golf Illustrated interview:
GI: What happens to the shots of a player who executes these moves?
Tomasello: The player will immediately hit the ball higher and straighter, and substantially longer. The flight pattern will be dead straight to its apex, with the ball falling a touch left or drawing fractionally as it decends.
If you stick with what Tommy teaches (give it 6 months) you too will be producing higher, straighter and substantially longer shots....Yeeee Hawwwwwww.
If you stick with what Tommy teaches (give it 6 months) you too will be producing higher, straighter and substantially longer shots....Yeeee Hawwwwwww.
DG
I knew Tom Tomasello personally.
I talked golf with him intimately for many years.
During much of that time, we were both learning and discussing Homer Kelley's Star System of G.O.L.F.
Tommy was a fifty-ish retired Marine twenty years my senior working in the golf business. I was a thirty-ish, Honorably Discharged Air Force guy now graduated from Georgia Tech working in the financial business. Despite our enormous dissimilarites, we were brothers: We lived in the same town, shared the same passion and had the same dream; that is, finally unravelling the mysteries of the Golf Stroke. Oh so many times, we went mano-o-mano in close quarters -- I guess you could call 'close' my 12' X 50' mobile home (paid-for from the slim pickin's of my moonlighting cookware sales and the G.I. Bill) -- only to come out clinging to 'this book' or 'that book' and 'he said' or 'she said.'
Then came The Golfing Machine.
It hit us both like a ton of bricks.
Bobby Clampett was making his move and Ben Doyle was his mentor.
Words such as lag and drag and thrust were used for the first time, and we embraced the challenge of learning more.
Tommy went first to Homer Kelley -- in 1981. I followed in 1982.
Now, some twenty-five years later, I have had the privilege of watching many times on video my late friend deliver his message.
A message that has enabled so many -- from handicap player to TOUR champion -- to bridge the gap between 'can't' and 'can.'
Here is my conclusion:
Tommy didn't teach Right Arm Swing.
And he certainly didn't teach Hitting.
Tommy Tomasello taught Lag Pressure.
Lag Pressure and its consequent Clubhead Acceleration sensed by the Right Forearm and #3 Pressure Point (Right Forefinger).
Lag Pressure as defined by Homer Kelley.
Lag Pressure as known by Ben Hogan and described in his book Five Lessons as "three right hands."
Lag Pressure as understood by Tommy Armour in his How To Play Your Best Golf All the Time and translated as "Whack the Hell out of the ball with your right hand."
During much of that time, we were both learning and discussing Homer Kelley's Star System of G.O.L.F.
Tommy was a fifty-ish retired Marine twenty years my senior working in the golf business. I was a thirty-ish, Honorably Discharged Air Force guy now graduated from Georgia Tech working in the financial business. Despite our enormous dissimilarites, we were brothers: We lived in the same town, shared the same passion and had the same dream; that is, finally unravelling the mysteries of the Golf Stroke. Oh so many times, we went mano-o-mano in close quarters -- I guess you could call 'close' my 12' X 50' mobile home (paid-for from the slim pickin's of my moonlighting cookware sales and the G.I. Bill) -- only to come out clinging to 'this book' or 'that book' and 'he said' or 'she said.'
Then came The Golfing Machine.
It hit us both like a ton of bricks.
Bobby Clampett was making his move and Ben Doyle was his mentor.
Words such as lag and drag and thrust were used for the first time, and we embraced the challenge of learning more.
Tommy went first to Homer Kelley -- in 1981. I followed in 1982.
Now, some twenty-five years later, I have had the privilege of watching many times on video my late friend deliver his message.
A message that has enabled so many -- from handicap player to TOUR champion -- to bridge the gap between 'can't' and 'can.'
Here is my conclusion:
Tommy didn't teach Right Arm Swing.
And he certainly didn't teach Hitting.
Tommy Tomasello taught Lag Pressure.
Lag Pressure and its consequent Clubhead Acceleration sensed by the Right Forearm and #3 Pressure Point (Right Forefinger).
Lag Pressure as defined by Homer Kelley.
Lag Pressure as known by Ben Hogan and described in his book Five Lessons as "three right hands."
Lag Pressure as understood by Tommy Armour in his How To Play Your Best Golf All the Time and translated as "Whack the Hell out of the ball with your right hand."
Lag Pressure.
It is the Secret of Golf (6-C-2-0/A-E).
Yoda,
Tommy taught BOTH Hitting and Swinging...the swinging motion utilized right arm acceleration...it's a right arm swinging motion with longitudinal acceleration. Tommy didn't just "Sense" the right forearm he USED it.
Then tell us what the difference is between what Tomasello taught and right arm swinging...I'm sure there other forum members that want to know.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 03-30-2006 at 08:44 AM.
Here are a few words from Tommy Tomasello in his 1991 Golf Illustrated interview:
GI: What happens to the shots of a player who executes these moves?
Tomasello: The player will immediately hit the ball higher and straighter, and substantially longer. The flight pattern will be dead straight to its apex, with the ball falling a touch left or drawing fractionally as it decends.
If you stick with what Tommy teaches (give it 6 months) you too will be producing higher, straighter and substantially longer shots....Yeeee Hawwwwwww.
DG
I watched a couple of Yoda's videos and I went to the range last night and work on right arm controlling the downswing. After having some issues with my setup, I absolutely crushed a drive and said to myself "How'd I do that?"
I proceeded to hit several more drives with much more consistency and distance than I've displayed recently. These are the first steps on my TGM journey.
After viewing the TT Video letters on this site how possibly can it be a right arm swing????
He is using the left arm karate chop with right arm extensor action.
)who have been able to break down this intimidating array of laws into a few basic movements that, far from being impossilbe, can leave a student asking "Can the golf swing really be this simple?....
Hybrid Mode
