1-F Hitter or Swinger?

[Yoda]

It seems to me that swinging would hold up better under pressure, and over
time, less to "do" - just setup the machine and let it go.

That was not Homer Kelley's conclusion. Enjoy the exact words of The Master:

"I think Hitting is going to become far, far more popular than Swinging
with the real blood-thirsty golfers, the money-hungry golfers. They're going
to go to Hitting because it is...they have total control; much better finesse;
more positive control of Power; and less total body involvement."

"It is far more difficult to learn, but far easier to execute
when you get it. Oh, it's so simple! Nothing ever happens! Nothing ever gets
out of line! You just take it up and come down! And you can slam it as hard
as you want to if you stayed with this Right Forearm alignment."

"And you'll find all of a sudden you don't have to Throw the
Club. Just come down any speed you want and it just comes right through. And
not having to 'Rotate the Plane Lines' [Ed: to curve the Ball.] -- gee,
that's a tremendous advantage. But, it is harder to learn, but lots
easier to execute once you've learned it. Much more individual. You feel like
you're controlling every little ingredient."


"I think it's great."

[Yoda]

Not to jump on your toes, Master Yoda. Homer's voice has been recorded from
Master classes and the like. If I can continue because this is the part I
like. Paraphrasing Mr. Kelley... “because of hitting, golf will become so
easy, we will be playing call shot.�


Now that’s how much confidence Homer had in the hitting stroke.

Despite his preference for Hitting, Homer Kelley felt he could become equally
adept at Swinging once he had completed his 'research' and he could
concentrate on Scoring. Unfortunately, that day never came.

[Yoda]

It is designed for swingers, using linear acceleration (rope handle
technique).

That would be Longitudinal Acceleration, Drew, i.e., Pulling the Butt
End of the Clubshaft lengthwise toward the Plane Line and causing the
Clubshaft to act as a piece of string, or "Rope." Linear
Acceleration would be the Hitter's procedure, i.e., Right Arm Thrust against
the Axe Handle (2-K).

[Yoda]

As I continue to work on various points of my swing I have been noticing an
increasing feeling with driver that I can actually feel the ball compressing
against the driver face. As I drop my arms into the slot with the driver, I
just allow the uncoiling without forcing anything and I feel the ball
compress.
Anyone else getting this feeling?

Any comments?

"You can practically sleep and Swing."


-- Homer Kelley

[Yoda]

How do you approach working with someone for the first time in regards to
swinging/hitting? Are there things you see that make you decide that a
student can make some minimum corrections, as opposed to someone who needs an
overhaul? Do you tend to teach one over the other? I'm curious because the
attendees reporting from Yoda's workshop seem quite enamored with hitting
(and the unmistakeable sound of 3D Impact)

My twin Yoda teaches both Hitting and Swinging. And he can do both equally
well. He says 'Swing if you want and here's how.' Or, 'Hit if you want and
here's how.'

But he's a 'Wus.'


I like to Hit.

[Yoda]

How do you approach working with someone for the first time in regards to
swinging/hitting? Are there things you see that make you decide that a
student can make some minimum corrections, as opposed to someone who needs an
overhaul? Do you tend to teach one over the other? I'm curious because the
attendees reporting from Yoda's workshop seem quite enamored with hitting
(and the unmistakeable sound of 3D Impact)

My twin Yoda teaches both Hitting and Swinging. And he can do both equally
well. He says 'Swing if you want and here's how.' Or, 'Hit if you want and
here's how.'

But he's a 'Wus.'


I like to Hit.






Who would win a "head to head" match between Yoda swinging and
Yoda hitting?





Me.

But not because I'm a better Ball Striker. We're both about the same.
Although, now that I think about it, more times than not, I do seem to stick
it inside him with irons.

The big difference is Putting. Yoda's got the yips and won't go to the Long Putter.
I did -- years ago -- and now my putts run into the hole like scared mice.

The other day, for example, I'm out in 32 and in in 33 for a nice little 65
with only 25 putts. Yoda finished...well, let's just say, a distant second!

All he could mumble as we walked off the 18th was:

"I don't believe it!"

And then I laid one of his old lines on him:

"And that, dear brother, is why you fail."

[Yoda]

Where is the clubheads greatest speed in swinging and also in hitting.

Maximum Clubhead Speed is achieved almost instantly at Release for
both Swingers and Hitters (2-M-1 and 6-F-0). The Clubhead does not
pick up Speed during the Release Interval (the Overtaking of the Hands by the
Club). Instead, it tends to slow down!

Swingers use the Body Pivot as a Rotor to accelerate the Left
Arm. This generates Momentum Transfer (from the Rotating Body into the
extending Radius of the Left Arm and Club per 2-K) and the Throw-Out Action
of Centrifugal Force. This combination virtually eliminates Clubhead
Deceleration during Release, and as a result, the Clubhead maintains a
constant speed into Impact.

Hitters, on the other hand, use the Body as a Launching Pad
from which to Drive the Right Arm. Hence, Momentum Transfer is
unavailable to prevent Release Deceleration. Therefore, the Timing and
Trigger Delay of the Right Arm Thrust become critical in preventing a massive
slowdown of the Clubhead during Release. Learning to handle this Release
Deceleration problem is one of the biggest stumbling blocks the Swinger must
overcome when learning to Hit.

For both Swingers and Hitters, Impact is a violent collision of Ball
and Club. Since the Ball hits the Club as hard as the Club hits the Ball, the
Clubhead decelerates significantly. The Ball's mass is about one-fifth (20
percent) of that of the Clubhead, and so the Clubhead's Approach Speed is slowed
to approximately 80 percent at Separation. It is important that this Impact
Deceleration be minimized because in addition to its own 70 percent
Coefficient of Restitution, the Ball picks up 100 percent of the Clubhead's
Speed at Separation. In this department, the only defense is the familiar
mantra of The Golfing Machine...


Sustain the Lag!

[Yoda]

New to the forum and I am really confused. I recently purchased a Power Angle Pro and in conversations with John I was inspired to pick up my copy of The Golfing Machine and figure it out. I thought I was a swinger but I'm so confused at the present time I just don't know what I am. The only thing I Think I know is I use a wrist throw trigger 10-20-e and a random sweep 10-22-B power Loading package. I am a 45 year old 6'3" 235 pounds and strong. I have a 1 handicap. I am also very right handed in everything I do. If anyone can point me in the right direction I would appreciate it. Thanks

Three questions:

1. Do you feel you Push or Pull the Clubhead through Impact?

2. Does your Backstroke go to the Top (10-21-0-1) or to the End (10-21-0-3)?

3. If the Top, does the Clubshaft remain firmly positioned against your No. 3 Pressure Point with the shaft not parallel to the ground? Or, at the End, has the Clubshaft -- via gravity -- now Loaded down against the first knuckle of the Forefinger?

[Yoda]

Thanks for the response.

1) Push more than pull. I feel comfortable doing either.
2) Top
3) Short of parallel against #3 pressure point. Can you describe firmly? On a scale of 1-10 my #3 pressure is 4.


I also believe I use a punch stroke more than a pitch stroke and I emphasis a connected feeling in a my left shoulder and left chest area thru the entire swing.

The characteristics you have defined are consistent with Hitting. In fact, no characteristic you mentioned is consistent with Swinging. Therefore...

Or at least enough of a duck to warrant the assumption!

So, follow the Hitting Basic Pattern of 12-1-0 and assimilate each component per the Basic Motion Curriculum of 12-5-1/2/3.

Quack! Quack!

[Yoda]

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There are 10 great photos there that show that Bobby Jones did not bend or flex the golf shaft. He swung with essentially NO leverage from the handle.

For Swingers -- who Pull the Club through Impact -- Centrifugal Force powers the Secondary Lever Assembly only (the Golf Club), and the Shaft acts like a Rope.

For Hitters -- who Push the Club through Impact -- Muscular Thrust powers the entire Primary Lever Assembly (Left Arm and Club) and the Shaft acts like an Axe Handle.