1-F Hitter or Swinger?

[Yoda]

Yoda,

I guess Tom Tomasello must have been seen as a black sheep of the TGM teaching community by starting the downswing with the right forearm and using right forearm acceleration with a swinging procedure? What did the TGM community think after Tom's 1991 GI interview?

DG

Can't speak for the 1991 TGM Community. I was doing my sabbatical in a galaxy far away.

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by Yoda

The True Swinger allows Centrifugal Force to align for Impact all three Functions of the Club, i.e., the Clubhead, the Clubshaft and the Clubface. The Manipulated Swinger allows Centrifugal Force to align the Clubhead and the Clubshaft. Using Grip Rotation (7-2) and optionally, a Hinge Action (10-10-C or 10-10-E) other than Dual Horizontal, he himself aligns the Clubface. [Bold by Yoda for reference.]

Dave,
I think the man with funny ears had an excellent answer (as usual) to your question. Just for clarification- the manipulative swinger has all of the hinging options available- including horizontal hinging- I am guessing that Yoda will agree with me on that - just thought it was left a little open in his post.

Mike O.

[Bold by Yoda for reference.]

Yes, I agree. My post should be interpreted as follows:

"Dual Horizontal Hinge Action is mandatory for True Swingers and normal for Manipulated Swingers. However, Manipulated Swingers have the option of using Angled and Dual Vertical Hinge Actions as well, providing they make the necessary adjustments (Clubface Alignment and Rhythm)."


The above explanation assumes the use of the Inclined Plane. However, while I'm clarifying, I suppose I should address the two remaining Hinge Action Variations; namely, Horizontal (Only) Hinge Action (10-10-A) and Vertical (Only) Hinge Action (10-10-B). These Variations operate in a Vertical Plane, not on an Inclined Plane. Horizontal (Only) is available to both True and Manipulated Swingers. Vertical (Only) is available to only Manipulated Swingers. And what about Angled (Only) Hinge Action? In the absence of an Inclined Plane, i.e, the use of a Vertical or a Horizontal Plane, it does not exist (by definition).

From a theoretical standpoint, these two Variations serve as the basis for their 'Dual Action' counterparts (10-10-D/E). From a practical standpoint, they satisfy the need of the player who ignores the Inclined Plane, typically for short Shots such as Putting and Chipping. In such Strokes, his Clubhead 'Covers' the Straight Plane Line instead of Tracing it. In other words, the player causes the Clubhead to move in a Vertical Plane -- Up and Back (no 'In') and Down and Forward (no 'Out') -- and not on an Inclined Plane. As he does so, he executes (with his Flat Left Wrist) either the Horizontal or Vertical Hinge Motion of the Clubface.

Well, I'm sure the above first paragraph lifted any remaining Fog from my prior post. Unfortunately, I'm equally sure that the next two lowered more of their own. Not to worry: That's part of The Journey we call The Golfing Machine. Take what you can for now, and throw the rest in your Incubator. Turn it over now and then, and over time, you'll be surprised at what pecks its way out of the shell.

Meanwhile, lay off my ears!

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by Yoda

.................. When using the Right Shoulder to launch the Driving Right Arm, Palmer, Stadler and Trevino are Four-Barrel Hitters, not Four-Barrel Swingers. ...................................

It seems to me that Stadler is more of a hitting-swinger, who pushes then snaps release.

The Snap Releases -- both Non-automatic and Automatic -- are available for both Hitters and Swingers.

[Yoda]

Quote:

Originally posted by MizunoJoe
[br]6b1d,

Thanks for the summary - I was pretty sure Yoda would get you into the 4-barrel HITTING procedure with the driving right shoulder. [Bold by Yoda.]



To accelerate the Clubhead from the Top, Swingers use Centrifugal Throwout Action and Hitters use Muscular Drive-Out Action. Accordingly, each uses the Right Shoulder in a very different way. Swingers use it to actively 'drive,' or accelerate, the essentially inert Left Arm (the #4 Power Accumulator) into Impact. Hitters use it to take up the initial slack during the Start Down and then as the 'equal and opposite force' backstop required to accelerate their Driving Right Arm (the #1 Power Accumulator) into Impact.

The Swinger's active Right Shoulder accelerates the Left Arm, and Centrifugal Force and its Throw-Out Action then powers the Clubhead. The Right Arm remains passive -- except for its Right Triceps Extensor Action and the #3 Pressure Point sensing and directing the Clubhead Lag -- and thus the Stroke remains Three-Barrel. In contrast, the Hitter's active Right Shoulder serves as the 'launching pad' for the Right Arm and its Muscular Drive-out Action that powers the Clubhead. Since the Right Arm then drives the entire Primary Lever Assembly (including the Left Arm), the Full-Power Hitting Stroke can properly be classified as Four-Barrel.

[Yoda]

ok i am confused- explain the difference between a swinger and a hitter please.

Swingers use the Pull of Centrifugal Force to Throw the Club Out into Release. Hitters use the Push of Muscular Thrust to Drive the Club Out into Release.

[Yoda]

quote="jerry1967 "]
why can't i be both a hitter and a swinger?
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You can Swing or Hit on any given Stroke. You just can't do both simultaneously.

[Yoda]

Anyhow, David Alford showed up and was polite and unassuming; nothing
confrontational about him. He complained of a sore right elbow and showed
me where it hurt - there was a lump about 1/2 to 2/3 the size of a golfball
right about the place where "tennis elbow" occurs and he mentioned
that in
addition to tendonitis, he had
bone spurs. Just from the look of it, it must've been very sore as I once

had a mild case of tennis elbow and it was hard to do much of anything.

You may recall from Mr. Alford's earlier post that he drives the Ball 300
yards using his Right Arm. You may also recall that he rebuffed my
presumptive comment -- that he was appropriately using Right Triceps Thrust
in a Hitting procedure -- and stated that he was Swinging.


Well, let's give credit where credit is due: The above described condition is
entirely consistent with that suffered by many who choose to Swing the
Right Arm (from the Elbow) instead of using it to Drive the Left (from
the Shoulder). Our Right Arms are made to move in a straight-line Piston
Motion -- Hitting or Swinging. Those who vigorously do otherwise tempt Mr.
Alford's fate.

[Yoda]

Brian why don't you delete Yoda's personal dribbling and this now
isolated health issue since it is now out of context?


David Alford

David,

I am delighted to learn of your recovery. Sincerely, I am. I did find the two
items -- a strong Right Arm Swing and injured right elbow ligaments -- to be
more than coincidental since that exact condition is described in 7-19 of The
Golfing Machine. I viewed your unfortunate news not as a springboard to
'dribble,' but as an opportunity to make the connection and perhaps assist
others in a similar predicament.


As it turns out, your injury was not golf-related. Nevertheless, it is a fact
that the people I know wearing those bands on their right forearms do not
shoot the bow or play the guitar. They swing their right arm.

[Yoda]

Tendonitis is different than a ligament injury. There is a spot the size of a
nickle near the elbow where all the tendons of the forearm come together and
this is normally the site of injury. No ligaments there.


David Alford

I am not a medical doctor. However, I am an adequate Golf Stroke mechanic,
and my stated reference was to Homer's 'ligament injury' comment in 7-19, not
to tendonitis.


Personally, I have never experienced tendonitis or 'golfer's elbow.' But I
don't Swing my Right Arm, either.

[Yoda]

As taught, Homer called swinging lazy. You can close your eyes and use it as
a change of pace late in a round or something, its that simply to do. But
hitting, hitting excited everyone at the workshop. It is as violent an action
as there is in recreational sport. I'm training those lazy muscles of mine to
order up the "crunch and turf." Glad I have stiff shafts on my
irons, too.

It is true that Swinging requires much less conscious control than Hitting,
especially during the learning process. Hence Homer's words: "You can
practically sleep and Swing."


It is also true that, as with Swinging, the Hitter's Impact is indeed a
violent collision of Clubface and Ball. However, also as with Swinging, the
Motion that produces that violence is 'very deliberate, positive and heavy'
(3-F-6).