Yoda: Your Thoughts on new 12-2-0

[armourall]

...a Rotated Shoulder Turn Backstroke can be replaced by an On Plane Shoulder Turn Downstroke (complete with Hip Slide, Weight Shift, Axix Tilt and Line Delivery Path). But then, it is no longer a Rotated Shoulder Turn.

Bottom line for me is that I would have to see the revision in Homer's own hand.

What would be the proper designation for a dual application Rotated Shoulder Turn Backswing/On Plane Shoulder Turn Downstroke? (10-13-A is the only dual application listed.) I would have to believe that this, if anything, is what Homer Kelley intended, but I can't imagine having an X listed in a Basic Pattern.

[golfbulldog]

What would be the proper designation for a dual application Rotated Shoulder Turn Backswing/On Plane Shoulder Turn Downstroke? (10-13-A is the only dual application listed.) I would have to believe that this, if anything, is what Homer Kelley intended, but I can't imagine having an X listed in a Basic Pattern.

I am with you on this one. My reading of 6th edition 10-13-c supports this pattern.

"The downstroke may shift to On Plane for whatever Plane angle or variation is used."

It seems that just as Homer's 6th edition Standard 10-13-A has flat/backstroke and Onplane/ downstoke... rotated 10-13-C alows rotated/backand onplane/downstoke.

It then say that "downstroke use os normally confine dto the shiftless hip turn." but he has already said do what you like on the downstroke!!!

Fine by me

Very modern thinking... most people now have backstroke 90 degrees to spine. Homer changed his mind and his thoughts from 1983 are seen on every tee of every major tour event in the 21 st century!!!

Well done Homer!

[Mathew]

Now I haven't bought the 7th edition but will when it comes on to amazon. But have had an initial thought to some of the components that ive heard placed in the swingers stroke pattern.

Lets assume that Homer means the onplane shoulder downstroke which is also written in the 6th edition rotated shoulder turn variation and ive heard that the hip action has changed to the slide variation. Now what if this is to make the backstroke comply with the generation of angular motion, the swingers pivot turning an axis to spin a flywheel ...ie chinese drum. Wouldn't this also tie in nicely with the lagging right forearm takeaway i've seen Yoda post about ...

[jim_0068]

Once a snap loading and release is learned properly why do so many think it is a "timing" issue to be done correctly?

Obviously all the loading/releases have "timing" issues until they become automatic (not non-auto).

I use snap 97% of the time (3% full sweep for certain shots) and don't have any issues with "timing."

[EdZ]

Once a snap loading and release is learned properly why do so many think it is a "timing" issue to be done correctly?

Obviously all the loading/releases have "timing" issues until they become automatic (not non-auto).

I use snap 97% of the time (3% full sweep for certain shots) and don't have any issues with "timing."

You must have good Rhythm and aiming point and be well sequenced on the downswing. Snap isn't difficult if you have those, suffice to say it is a move that is built upon those other areas being in good shape.

[phillygolf]

Once a snap loading and release is learned properly why do so many think it is a "timing" issue to be done correctly?

Obviously all the loading/releases have "timing" issues until they become automatic (not non-auto).

I use snap 97% of the time (3% full sweep for certain shots) and don't have any issues with "timing."

Jim,
As one (you!) .....nevermind...

Snap leaves what? less time, right?
And if Bobby..nevermind...