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Old 06-20-2006, 07:43 PM
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How does this relate to a neutral spine?

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Old 06-20-2006, 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Martee
How does this relate to a neutral spine?

Martee..great pic...

Neutral spine is not functional in the game of G.O.L.F


EC...don't get me started on this.....


Lagster...u2...

NOone plays froma straight spine and the spine angle doesn't stay the same..Period end of story...I'm biting my tongue..tying my hands behind my back....blindfolded....duct tape ..no more questions...

BUT..

Perhaps some pics at a later date?
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Oh geez ..I cannot restrain myself


Many in the Golfdom would say the following posture...is "The WAY"

Aaron Baddeley



However...look closely...


Do his eyes look with a natural gaze at the ball?...or is he lookking down through the bottom of his vision?

Do you think the Tailbone sticking out that much producing an excessive amount of lumbar curve is natural...let alone good for your lower back?



Let's take a look at some others.....

Charles Howell


Grant Waite



Do you see some differences?

Is Badds Functional...

NOT let me count the ways..not 2 night!!!
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Old 06-21-2006, 12:52 AM
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Like Moe Norman said about leadbetter - artifical strokes for artificial folks.
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Old 06-21-2006, 12:07 PM
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Ha. Baddeley looks like he's gonna fall over.
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Old 06-21-2006, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
Martee..great pic...

Neutral spine is not functional in the game of G.O.L.F

I guess I would like your explanation as to why it isn't. The alignment of the spine and posture has impact on G.O.L.F. components, both statically and dynamically including balance.
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Old 06-21-2006, 02:01 PM
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One of my colleagues asked an expert in the field who is the founder of Peak Performance how many players on the PGA Tour and LPGA Tour set up with your recommended "Neurtral Spine"...The expert replied " Not One!"...the PGA Professional said "Thank You" and then proceeded to sit down witha silent ovation from his colleagues...

Can you hold the gaze of the object(ball) in the center of the fovial field with neutral spine?

Are the Eyes and Ears vital in relationship to balance and stability?

Is the Spine divided into Cervical, Thoracic, Lumbar & Sacral Segments?

Does everyone have the same "everyday posture"?



Is posture Learned/Conditoned?

How many "experts" have won major torurnaments?

Here's a small sample of some quantifiable measurements?

Cervial Spine....20 degrees of Flexion
Thoracic Spine....20 degrees of Flexion
Lumbar Spine...20 degrees of Flexion
Sacrum....Slight External Rotation


As you can see...hardly neutral spine....

Use a 2 Leighton Flexometers an the Truth will reveal that in G.O.L.F. the spine is hardly neutral!!!




How many of these cats have "Neutral Spine?"

For the Data freaks out there!!!



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Old 06-21-2006, 03:38 PM
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I am sorry I asked the question, it is obvious that by the response that there is no answer forth coming. The use of PGA and LPGA pro's in itself is not an answer.

For I ask how many PGA and LPGA pro's have an uncompensated golf swing as defined in either of the two TGM stroke patterns? The fact that none exist doesn't mean it is not part of the G.O.L.F., only that individuals have choosen variations.
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No need to apologize ...the photos tell the truth...This is not a personal opinion type of thing....Look at the photos study them and come you your own conclusions...

"Not One".....is in neutral spine! or is there?

Martee..no need to take it personal...just backing my post up with photos and data...just means that I'm not making this up in my own little mind...and how many PGA pros or PT's have gone into this depth...I know a few of them...I'm not alone here!!!


To answer your question...directly... the Spine Angle at address and the Spine angle at Impact are not the same therefore dynamically...always changing throughout the stroke....and those are the Facts..not my Opinion


BTW..proper teminology would Angles of the Spine...not The Spine Angle....since there are 4 sections of the Spine that are to be measured

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Obvously not an expert in this field, me that is.

From my limited research and reading and attempting to adopt the TGM philosophy of the uncompensated stroke I submit the following...

1. Static posture (standing in this case), neutral spine, will define for an individual the optimal relationships.

2. Dynamic posture will maintain the optimal relationships (spacial and temporal) for instantaneous axis rotation of any/all working joints. That is if done correctly.

3. Angle of the spine at address will differ from the angle at impact unless the address position is the Fix Address (probably never be the same but close).

4. Angle of the spine at Impact in theory can be pre-define for any golfer based on
a. The golfer intends to use the golf club as it is designed
b. The golfers physical traits (height, arm length, etc) are taken into account.

5. Angle of the spine at Address is more a function of what the golfer has learned so the Impact position can be obtained with the selected components being employed.

Traits of the Neutral Spine can be found in many golf writings when defining the address position.

It seems to me that as in other activities as well if you have a known starting point, the neutral spine, that moving into the address and impact positions, it will simplify achieving the alignments that the golfer is striving to achieve. Rather than create a situation where the golfer must fabricate movements, the golfer can have natural movements intended to maintain.

Just some thoughts. Oh, my question what how does the neutral spine relate which is what I have attempted to give my thoughts on. Also I keyed on the title Medical..
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