Was Homer Wrong?

[Mathew]

As for my tone on arrival here, have a look at what you
were saying in this thread prior to my contribution especially
the "centrifugally powered golf swing" snideness and the
person who decided to visit ISG to "tell us off", followed
after my post by the mockery about the "force with no name".

The primary lever assembly is powered into impact by a pressure against it... Centrifugal force does not 'power' the golf stroke... its effect is utilised. No where in the book does Homer ever reference the 'centrifugally powered swing'....

The problem is, I just don't know how seriously I can take someone who has yet to figure out that they do not need to press enter to go to a new line...lol

[golf_sceptic]

The primary lever assembly is powered into impact by a pressure against it... Centrifugal force does not 'power' the golf stroke... its effect is utilised.

What do you believe centrifugal force is acting on?

No where in the book does Homer ever reference the 'centrifugally powered swing'....

"This throw out action is termed herein as 'Centrifugal Acceleration' to indicate that Centrifugal Force (Centrifugal Reaction), not muscle, is propelling the Secondary Lever Assembly (the golf club) into Impact. So swingers are totally dependant on their skill at manipulating Centrifugal Force while Hitters are not."

I don't think my throwaway comment in the middle of a 16 page discussion constitutes any sort of a major misrepresentation. Certainly not to the extent that is it vulnerable to being shot down as if its the heart and sole of my proposition that Homer either misunderstood centrifugal force or deliberately mis-stated its application.

I ask again, what was the centrifugal force acting on?

The problem is, I just don't know how seriously I can take someone who has yet to figure out that they do not need to press enter to go to a new line...lol

...and people have a dig at me about what I write?!

If you are uncomfortable with what I write, ask questions.

[Mathew]

What do you believe centrifugal force is acting on?



"This throw out action is termed herein as 'Centrifugal Acceleration' to indicate that Centrifugal Force (Centrifugal Reaction), not muscle, is propelling the Secondary Lever Assembly (the golf club) into Impact. So swingers are totally dependant on their skill at manipulating Centrifugal Force while Hitters are not."

Are you saying that the word "propelling" does not have any association with force or power?

I ask again, what was the centrifugal force acting on?



...and people have a dig at me about what I write?!

If you are uncomfortable with what I write, ask questions.

The right forearm in a swingers stroke is driven into impact by the right shoulder going downplane to throw the entire right flying wedge into impact. You turn an axis to spin a flywheel.... the right arm continually being pulled towards a straight line at 90 degrees to the turning axis (think chinese drum), but the checkrein of the left arm maintains the bend in the right arm whilst the aiming point of pp3 controls the precision of the clubheads motion around two centers.

The centrifugal force is the secondary lever assembly and the right flying wedge getting thrown into impact via the right shoulder motion...just like a chinese drum.

"Drum technique. Understand?" - Mr Miyagi

"Is there a counterpunch in the technique?" - Daniel-san

"Ask drum." - Mr Miyagi

[golf_sceptic]

Ummm. Ok. What he said!

Sorry. If that means anything related to this discussion I don't know what it is. I'll just pick up on the words "centrifugal force" and try to keep things focussed on that. Otherwise we are back with Humpty Dumpty a few posts above, and words can mean whatever you want them to mean.

The centrifugal force is the secondary lever assembly and the right flying wedge getting thrown into impact via the right shoulder motion...just like a chinese drum.

...and the centrifugal force acts on?

[Mathew]

Ummm. Ok. What he said!

Sorry. If that means anything related to this discussion I don't know what it is. I'll just pick up on the words "centrifugal force" and try to keep things focussed on that. Otherwise we are back with Humpty Dumpty a few posts above, and words can mean whatever you want them to mean.



...and the centrifugal force acts on?

The right arm and flying wedge driving the secondary lever assembly and its onplane relationship with the axis of rotation - right shoulder... why do I have to repeat myself....

Spin a chinese drum, what powers it ?

Perhaps you think the strings are pulling the hands - if you do your intellect is rivaled only by that of garden tools...

Perhaps again you can reference the words "centrifugal powered swing" from the golfing machine....

[golf_sceptic]

The right arm and flying wedge driving the secondary lever assembly and its onplane relationship with the axis of rotation - right shoulder... why do I have to repeat myself....

You tell me.

Spin a chinese drum, what powers it ?

You tell me and we'll both know.

Perhaps you think the strings are pulling the hands - if you do your intellect is rivaled only by that of garden tools...

You may care to retract that. That's the second personal attack
you've made on me. It doesn't promote your argument at all. In
fact it is probably counter-productive.

Disagree with what I say by all means.

Perhaps again you can reference the words "centrifugal powered swing" from the golfing machine....

Read above. What does "propelling" mean to you?
Does it have any connotations of force or power?

Now that I'm here can we stick to physics?
As I asked before
...and what does the centrifugal force act on?

[Mathew]

You tell me.

Because you didn't bother to read a book before feeling the desire to critique.

You tell me and we'll both know.

Relative to the object - the turning axis is the work involved to create the centripetal force - the string becomes taut - centrifugal force

The faster it spins the more the string becomes at 90 degrees to its axis.....remember it hits the drum "Drum technique. Understand?"

You may care to retract that. I don't think personal attacks are welcome here.

No I said if you thought something your intellect rivals gardening tools - I did not say your intellect rivals gardening tools - subtle but important difference....

Read above. What does "propelling" mean to you?
Does it have any connotations of force or power?

Propelling means setting something in motion. Regarding power, heed the words of Mr Miyagi - "Ask drum."

I want to talk about the physics.

It looks like the old "you have to understand every sentence
before you can understand any sentence" defence to me.

It does help if you understand what your referencing.

[annikan skywalker]

The String in TGM is the Longitudinal Center of Gravity or termed herein the Sweetspot Plane..I have a Training Aid with a String from the #3PP to directly to the CG of the head.....While Centrepetal force pulls it in a circle...Centrifugal force changes the length of this string...

[Yoda]

The String in TGM is the Longitudinal Center of Gravity or termed herein the Sweetspot Plane.

The Golf Club's Longitudinal Center of Gravity is its Sweetspot (2-F). In other words, it is the Club's center of gravity when the Club is held lengthwise. It is neither the 'string' (the Left Arm and Clubshaft to which the Sweetspot is attached) nor the plane of motion (upon which the Sweetspot orbits).

[annikan skywalker]

The Golf Club's Longitudinal Center of Gravity is the Sweetspot (2-F). In other words, it is the Club's center of gravity when the Club is held lengthwise. It is neither the 'string' (the Left Arm and Clubshaft to which the Sweetspot is attached) nor the plane of motion (upon which the Sweeptspot orbits).

Thanks for the clarification...