Was Homer Wrong?

[golf_sceptic]

Ummm. Ok. What he said!

Sorry. If that means anything related to this discussion I don't know what it is. I'll just pick up on the words "centrifugal force" and try to keep things focussed on that. Otherwise we are back with Humpty Dumpty a few posts above, and words can mean whatever you want them to mean.

The centrifugal force is the secondary lever assembly and the right flying wedge getting thrown into impact via the right shoulder motion...just like a chinese drum.

...and the centrifugal force acts on?

[Mathew]

Ummm. Ok. What he said!

Sorry. If that means anything related to this discussion I don't know what it is. I'll just pick up on the words "centrifugal force" and try to keep things focussed on that. Otherwise we are back with Humpty Dumpty a few posts above, and words can mean whatever you want them to mean.



...and the centrifugal force acts on?

The right arm and flying wedge driving the secondary lever assembly and its onplane relationship with the axis of rotation - right shoulder... why do I have to repeat myself....

Spin a chinese drum, what powers it ?

Perhaps you think the strings are pulling the hands - if you do your intellect is rivaled only by that of garden tools...

Perhaps again you can reference the words "centrifugal powered swing" from the golfing machine....

[golf_sceptic]

The right arm and flying wedge driving the secondary lever assembly and its onplane relationship with the axis of rotation - right shoulder... why do I have to repeat myself....

You tell me.

Spin a chinese drum, what powers it ?

You tell me and we'll both know.

Perhaps you think the strings are pulling the hands - if you do your intellect is rivaled only by that of garden tools...

You may care to retract that. That's the second personal attack
you've made on me. It doesn't promote your argument at all. In
fact it is probably counter-productive.

Disagree with what I say by all means.

Perhaps again you can reference the words "centrifugal powered swing" from the golfing machine....

Read above. What does "propelling" mean to you?
Does it have any connotations of force or power?

Now that I'm here can we stick to physics?
As I asked before
...and what does the centrifugal force act on?

[Mathew]

You tell me.

Because you didn't bother to read a book before feeling the desire to critique.

You tell me and we'll both know.

Relative to the object - the turning axis is the work involved to create the centripetal force - the string becomes taut - centrifugal force

The faster it spins the more the string becomes at 90 degrees to its axis.....remember it hits the drum "Drum technique. Understand?"

You may care to retract that. I don't think personal attacks are welcome here.

No I said if you thought something your intellect rivals gardening tools - I did not say your intellect rivals gardening tools - subtle but important difference....

Read above. What does "propelling" mean to you?
Does it have any connotations of force or power?

Propelling means setting something in motion. Regarding power, heed the words of Mr Miyagi - "Ask drum."

I want to talk about the physics.

It looks like the old "you have to understand every sentence
before you can understand any sentence" defence to me.

It does help if you understand what your referencing.

[golf_sceptic]

Relative to the object - the turning axis is the work involved to create the centripetal force - the string becomes taut - centrifugal force

Ok, and the centrifugal force acts on?

No I said if you thought something your intellect rivals gardening tools - I did not say your intellect rivals gardening tools - subtle but important difference....

I missed the straw man argument, but don't mince words. You intended to either be unkind or show your superiority. Either way it is a personal attack.

Propelling means setting something in motion.

...and in the context of swinging a golf club that requires?

Propelling is a very well known and understood word. It involves application of force, and the rate of application of force is power. Centrifugal force does not power anything, let alone the golf swing. Either directly or indirectly, Homer said that centrifugal force causes the throw out effect and this makes the clubhead go faster. Centrifugal force does not cause the throw out effect.

It does help if you understand what your referencing.

So explain the misunderstandings. I've explained that Homer either misunderstood or deliberately misrepresented centrifugal force. I've explained the misunderstanding of the rock and string example. I've explained the common misunderstanding about what the endless belt model shows. Go for it! Tell me where I'm wrong. I can assure you though, that TGM vernacular is not at all essential to understanding centrifugal force. You may also wish to quote something from the TGM book which shows that Homer really did get it right about centrifugal force.

[Mathew]

Ok, and the centrifugal force acts on?

The right arm and flying wedge driving the secondary lever assembly and its onplane relationship with the axis of rotation - right shoulder... why do I have to repeat myself....

I missed the straw man argument, but don't mince words. You intended to either be unkind or show your superiority. Either way it is a personal attack.

No I mean't it as an arguement is absurd....thats your interpretation....

...and in the context of swinging a golf club that requires?

Propelling is a very well known and understood word. It involves application of force, and the rate of application of force is power. Centrifugal force does not power anything, let alone the golf swing. Either directly or indirectly, Homer said that centrifugal force causes the throw out effect. This is wrong.

propel

verb

1. To set or keep going: actuate, drive, impel, mobilize, move, run. See move/halt.
2. To launch with great force: fire, hurtle, loose, project, shoot. Idioms: let fly. See move/halt.
3. To force to move or advance with or as if with blows or pressure: drive, push, ram, shove, thrust. See move/halt.
4. To stir to action or feeling: egg on, excite, foment, galvanize, goad, impel, incite, inflame, inspire, instigate, motivate, move, pique, prick, prod, prompt, provoke, set off, spur, stimulate, touch off, trigger, work up. See cause/effect, excite/bore/interest.

Congrats you've figured out that centrifugal force doesn't power anything and it is an effect we deal with - now tell me where Homer says "centrifugal powered swing"... The throw-out action is an action of the right arm which is kept onplane by the right shoulder turning the axis to spin the flywheel - centrifugal force propelling/moving/advancing/launch the secondary lever assembly/right flying wedge/right arm acc#1 into impact just like that string on the drum except it is checkreined against the left arm.... "Drum technique. Understand?"

So explain the misunderstandings. I've explained how Homer either misunderstood or deliberately misrepresented centrifugal force. I've explained the misunderstanding of the string example. I've explained the common misunderstanding of the endless belt. Go for it! Tell me where I'm wrong. I can assure you though, that TGM vernacular are not at all essential to understanding centrifugal force. Alternatively show me something from the TGM book which shows that Homer really did get it right about centrifugal force.

No, its your job to understand... I should be able to communicate this way with you. Just like a physicist needs to understand Einstein or X physicists theories before trying to disprove ... The onus is on you.....

[Mathew]

"Drum technique. Understand?"

[golf_sceptic]

No I mean't it as an arguement is absurd....thats your interpretation....

Sorry, but that reads as though you left a few words or some punctuation out. If I've misconstrued your two one liners and they were not meant to be personal attacks or demeaning, then that's fine. Others will form their own views of your "Perhaps you think the strings are pulling the hands - if you do your intellect is rivaled only by that of garden tools" proposition.

The right arm and flying wedge driving the secondary lever assembly and its onplane relationship with the axis of rotation - right shoulder... why do I have to repeat myself....

This time it is because you chose to answer a question which wasn't asked.

Here's the thread...

You wrote: Relative to the object - the turning axis is the work involved to create the centripetal force - the string becomes taut - centrifugal force

I wrote: Ok, and the centrifugal force acts on?

You wrote what I quoted above beginning with "The right arm ...".
So, let's take a step back to what you wrote:
"the string becomes taut - centrifugal force"

What does the centrifugal force act on?

You are right that you can write responses in any form you choose. I reject your claimed sovereignty over what my duties are and where any onus lies unless of course it is part of the terms and conditions of this web site.