I agree with you that amateurs have it all over the place.Does the flat left wrist fix this fault or is that too simplistic?
I'm not a teacher but I see this all the time with higher handicap players and how would you go about fixing it?
Typical profile of a good hacker:
Strong left hand grip, bent left wrist at the top, outside in clubhead path.
Fix:
First fix everything that looks very obviously wrong, e.g. stance is aimed 40 yards open, spine angle vertical at address, head opposite left foot at address, etc. Then flatten left wrist at the top. This should result in hooks and pull hooks, especially if the student knows how to finish swivel properly. Then neutralise grip. Then fix the clubshaft at the top and startdown.
Typical profile of a good hacker:
Strong left hand grip, bent left wrist at the top, outside in clubhead path.
Fix:
First fix everything that looks very obviously wrong, e.g. stance is aimed 40 yards open, spine angle vertical at address, head opposite left foot at address, etc. Then flatten left wrist at the top. This should result in hooks and pull hooks, especially if the student knows how to finish swivel properly. Then neutralise grip. Then fix the clubshaft at the top and startdown.
hmmm...where did ya get that stuff from, tong?
was it your own research???......let me see your evidence that this works.....)
I like to ask a simple question. At impact isn't the clubface suppose to be shut or hooded? No one really mentions this, and I wonder this is the "hookface" HK is describing that is built in the irons?
I like to ask a simple question. At impact isn't the clubface suppose to be shut or hooded? No one really mentions this, and I wonder this is the "hookface" HK is describing that is built in the irons?
The Hookface diverts the ball to a Straight Path from a Circular Path. The Clubface should Close Only and not Hood. Hooding produces a Downward Compression which is the job of the Clubhead moving down and out On Plane during the Impact Interval.
I like to ask a simple question. At impact isn't the clubface suppose to be shut or hooded? No one really mentions this, and I wonder this is the "hookface" HK is describing that is built in the irons?
You'd need to define what you mean by shut or hooded. It'll be part of the process in answering your question. Regardless, no it's not the hookface that HK is describing.
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You'd need to define what you mean by shut or hooded. It'll be part of the process in answering your question. Regardless, no it's not the hookface that HK is describing.
Given that a good iron shot is hit ball then turf, it seems to me that the clubface should be facing towards the ground at impact. So a "shutting" clubface IMHO is one that pointing toward ground with big divot. As opposed to a" closing" clubface which I associate with a sweeping feeling taking a little divot.
Given that a good iron shot is hit ball then turf, it seems to me that the clubface should be facing towards the ground at impact. So a "shutting" clubface IMHO is one that pointing toward ground with big divot. As opposed to a" closing" clubface which I associate with a sweeping feeling taking a little divot.
Dlam,
Good observations. Yes, certainly for the irons you'd want a shutting clubface FEEL. Versus a closing clubface FEEL.
Understand that A) what's happening, B) what you're feeling and C) what you are trying to do - are or can be three very distinct issues in movement. So we need to break them out - based on your post.
Yes, the feel is that the clubface is on top of the ball facing the ground. Now, you can't feel clubfaces - so what are you really sensing? - the longitudinal center of gravity of the club. What's that? Well, if you were to lightly hold a club at the grip end and let it hang- because of the attached offset clubhead weight- the shaft would't hang down straight. While you have this club hanging from your finger tips if you were to also hold a piece of string with a weight at the end of it- that would show the longitudinal center of gravity (LCG) of the club and that string if allowed would go right through the clubface- that point it goes through the clubface is the sweetspot. And imagine that that straight string line as what you are sensing in the golf swing. So A) we are sensing that straight line, B) we can't sense the clubface i.e. you wouldn't know if you had 20 degrees or 40 degrees of loft on a clubface unless you visually looked at it - can't sense it by feel. C) since we are hitting the ball before lowpoint- the straight line LCG is leaning forward - hence it will be on top of the ball, facing the ground, "shut".
While you are sensing that - the clubface loft is actually facing the sky (whatever the effective loft that you are delivering to impact) and the actual contact point due to loft on the clubface is underneath the ball i.e. below the equator. And while it feels like - ball then turf - normally the sweetspot is sufficiently up the face that the club hits turf then ball - however all of these "What happens" are really insignificant to the issues of A) what are you trying to do and B) what does it feel like.
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I like to ask a simple question. At impact isn't the clubface suppose to be shut or hooded? No one really mentions this, and I wonder this is the "hookface" HK is describing that is built in the irons?
Its funny 4 months later and 50+ posts later and numerous readings of other blog I can answer my own question
Simple question may not have a simple answer.
Clubface may be shut for special shots.
For full shots clubface can be open(for fade) square (for draw)
I think shutting will lead to topping unless there is major compensation during the swing
There is a distinction between layed off and open clubface
Open being square and angled whereas layed off is more pronounced loft without angling the clubface.
I know this doesn't make sense but it the best way I can describe it.
Is there really such thing as as a closed clubface?
We impact the club with either square, open, shut,layed back club only
Closed clubface is a product of horizontal or beyond horizontal hinging at end of the swing. The clubface may be closing thru impact but is not closed at impact.
Sorry for the long drawn post(ramblings of a madman) but had to get it out my system.
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