Jim Hardy comment , your thoughts?

[tongzilla]

When I look at Yoda and Hogan swinging, the pictures look
like the right right elbow is in the line of sight to the
ball before release. When I look at pictures of Yoda Luke
hitting, the right elbow does not appear to get in the line
of sight before releasing. From what I read from Homer
Kelley, he does not limit line of sight, for the right elbow,
to either hitters or swinger. Don't get me wrong, I think
that Yoda Luke has on of the best swings of anybody. I guess
the question is: Do hitters, with the elbow behind the hip,
tend to get the right elbow in the line of sight late or not
at all?

Indeed, the Swinger's Pitch Basic Stroke (10-3-B) is conducive to greater Trigger Delay than the Hitter's Punch Basic Stroke (10-3-A).

[dkerby]

Your thoughts/comments to posts are certainly apprecited.
Thanks for your help. Donn

[dkerby]

Hello again Tonzilla. I reviewed 10-3-A. One would think
that a hitter with the right elbow "down-and-at-side" would
be less prone to get the elbow in the line of site to the
ball before release. But 6-B-1-C, relating to Accumulator #1
the hitters Muscle Power Accumulator, says for Maximum trigger
delay "is gained by causing the right elbow to pass the ball-
which is the line-of-sight-to-the-ball before release".

Then in 6-M-1, "For maximum Power, the position must be taken
that will allow delay of the Release until all Components,
except the Right Foot and the Right Shoulder, have reached,
or passed the Line-of-sight-to-the ball per 6-B-1-C. Then
the Accumulators must move very rapidly toward their
In-Line Position".

Seems like, Swinging or Hitting, the release is inside line-of-sight-to-the ball.

[tongzilla]

Seems like, Swinging or Hitting, the release is inside line-of-sight-to-the ball.

Can you explain more clearly what you mean by this?

[dkerby]

on 6/05/06 12 piece bucket responded: Remember... it is
the line of sight to the ball...not actually PAST THE BALL.
That will get into a "perverted Pitch elbow...equating to
Plane and erratic ball flights. Annikan has a great one for
this..Get your Right Forearm Flying Wedge VISUALLY past the
ball from the golfer's perspective". Remember your eyes are
behind the ball... so what looks like past ball ain't past.
Don't overcook it. I did and have suffered as a result.

When I read 6-B-1-C and 6-M-1, I preceive that all the
accumulators should be in the-line-of-site-to-the-ball
before they move toward their In-Line Position.
Homer Kelly did not differentiate between Hitters and Swinger
in this regard. From looking at pictures of Yoda Luke, the right arm started to its in-line postition before getting in the line-of-sight to-the ball. For Yoda and Hogan, the right are waited to line-of-sight before going to the In-Line position. I just wondered how come? Was it Hitter vs Swinger? I have seen Yoda Luke strike the ball and he is one of the very best. I know that he has reasons for what he does.

[tongzilla]

The reason why Swingers can lead their right elbow to greater Trigger Delay is because of the Turned Condition of the left wrist (Standard Wrist Action) just before Release.

[dkerby]

Thank you very much tongzilla for helping me to work
through the confusion of the right elbow to hip. I have
been working very hard to increase power. In Yodas -
Ben Hogan power Secret, Yoda explained that Hogans right
foot push produced the extra Power by enabling him to get
his right elbow further past the ball during release.
10-3-A Punch says "Trigger Delay (7-20) of the right elbow
can be augmented only through Hip Slide or Hip turn per
10-14". I was under the misconception that the right elbow
moved off the hip and more toward the stomach. I certainly
hope that Ted Forte will my accept my apology for suggesting
that he did not get the right elbow into the line-of-sight
before going into an in line condition. There certainly
is value in your observation of the Turned condition of the
left wrist just before release. If you have any other thoughts
of feel that I still have a miss conception, please let me
know. Thanks again, Donn.