A couple additional areas to check at setup that can contribute
an overly wide stance
a left foot that is too 'square' to the line at address
A right forearm that is too high at address (bad grip)
Shoulder line open at address
All of these limit your ability to pivot properly.
Hit some shots with your feet together until you can stay in balance.
Yep checked those things and all seem ok with mirror work e.g. left foot fanned, right forearm on plane. Seems i just can't get my mind to get the down instead of out...
Take an old shaft, with the head no longer on the end. Set up to the ball with a regular club as you normally would. HOld the regular club with your left hand and take the 'headless' shaft and place it into the ground paralell to your clubshaft angle...kind of like this \\. I have done this while hitting balls. Although the two shafts can be about 6" apart, the visual looking down appears as though the shaft are really close. It always help me (first in slow motion) feel what needs to be done to get 'under' the headless shaft. If I don't get under...WHACK...into the headless shaft. It doesn't hurt or ruin your club, just makes a loud sound!
Only ohter thing I've done to help is (again first in slo mo) go the the top and just as you start down, feel as though you do a right shoulder shrug (as in weight lifting) before going back down. In essence, it feels as though you roll your right shoulder back....
FL-John
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The first thing you probably need to do is fix your club face. Comming OTT is a reaction to a club face that if not square when the ball leaves it at separation; "Too Open". Most likely because of a left hand that is out of position to begin with; "Rotated Too Far Counter-Clockwise with your left thumb on top of the grip". Try rotating your Left hand clockwise with your left thumb on the aft side of the grip (Strong Single Action 10-2-B)or until the ball no longer goes right.
Then read the following thread in regard to the Role of the Right Shoulder in the Emergency Room Swingers section:
Once you understand how the Right Shoulder works, if you start hitting behind the ball, you need understand how a Swinger uses and doesn't use the Right Arm. A Transfer of Momentum (CF) will uncock the Swingers Left Wrist and Right Elbow, both are passive, but never whippy. No need to push with the Right Arm. If you do, you will need to keep your eyes closed at Impact or wear glasses, because they will be filled with dirt.
The first thing you probably need to do is fix your club face. Comming OTT is a reaction to a club face that if not square when the ball leaves it at separation; "Too Open". Most likely because of a left hand that is out of position to begin with; "Rotated Too Far Counter-Clockwise with your left thumb on top of the grip". Try rotating your Left hand clockwise with your left thumb on the aft side of the grip (Strong Single Action 10-2-B)or until the ball no longer goes right.
Then read the following thread in regard to the Role of the Right Shoulder in the Emergency Room Swingers section:
Once you understand how the Right Shoulder works, if you start hitting behind the ball, you need understand how a Swinger uses and doesn't use the Right Arm. A Transfer of Momentum (CF) will uncock the Swingers Left Wrist and Right Elbow, both are passive, but never whippy. No need to push with the Right Arm. If you do, you will need to keep your eyes closed at Impact or wear glasses, because they will be filled with dirt.
I've got a strong single action grip with the left thumb on the aft of the shaft... never hit a slice or fade in my life all the bad ones are pulls or pull hooks. Probably been aiming too far right in the past and then pull hooking it back to the target. Never ever ever any left to right movement of the ball....
I know the moment i come OTT that it's either going to be a slight pull, pull hook or shank......... I know what the right shoulder *should* be doing... it's just how to re-program the computer and i've yet to find anything that seems to make a difference when the ball is sitting there.....
Sorry don't want to sound ungrateful and all the answers so far are much appreciated.. just frustrating !!
I had a really tough time solving this one as well. I became rather succesful with the solution.
This problem personally for me is caused by , "The impulse to drive the ball squarely FORWARD towards the target" thus the right shoulder wants to participate in a way unfavourable. And the solution , 2-N-0 Underpitch must be present to prevent Roundhousing. learning to let the shoulder stay back and down .
I solved it as per Comdpa personal suggestion to learn to feel to square a tennis racket on a horizontal path. keeping the shoulder back and down.
Also As per Yoda , perform this as drill: 10-5-E close close stance, Strong double action wrist, In to Out path, Cut shot. Post. Did alot of those. took me a while to understand why yoda suggested this too.
So the objective is to get the more " out down and replace the incorrect forward impact with the correct ones ... 3 dimensinal impact.
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I had the same problem; pulling the short irons only. Turns out that I was bending the left wrist at impact (ok, the problem that most ams have). This after a year of working hard on FLW and BRW. But, in my case (and maybe yours) it was because the short irons are the heaviest, and therefore the breakdown becomes "easier". Also, (again in my case) because we think "it's just a wedge" we sometimes don't finish the swing, and quit. What finally worked wonders for me was to make sure I finished the swing, along with a determined roll of the left forearm, a horizontal hinge.
Tom
I'm fighting an over the top move in my downswing (on video my right shoulder moves *out* ever so slightly instead of *down*). This is enough to cause a shank in the short irons or pulls
After reading around here i know that the right shoulder has to go down, what is the best way to train this when you've been used to it going out for so long (been playing with it 15 years or more i guess) (again it's only a small move maybe an inch or so)
Drills etc more than welcome !!
Thanks
I’ve read through all the posts in this thread and see that nobody has really addressed the root cause. OTT is caused by inadequate weight transfer. With the feet touching (as a drill for balance) OTT is almost impossible. Once the feet are separated, we have two axes (plural of axis) to deal with, the backswing axis over the right foot, and the downswing axis over the left foot, separated by the weightSHIFT. Starting the downswing over the wrong axis invariably leads to OTT and other problems.
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