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08-12-2006, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by YodasLuke
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I want him "Directly opposed to the Secondary..."
He was so far over plane that I was trying to get him to position the Forearm "On Plane"- pointing at the Plane Line. It made a drastic difference in his ability to find the Plane. Next time, I'll be shooting for something closer to Pitch.
Rome wasn't built in 45 minutes.
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I have never fully understood the "directly opposed to secondary/primary lever assembly". When I read the section literally, I can't picture either being possible. I've had this discussion before, but can anybody shed some light on the subject?
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08-12-2006, 06:34 PM
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Out of the rubble
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Originally Posted by jaminid
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I have never fully understood the "directly opposed to secondary/primary lever assembly". When I read the section literally, I can't picture either being possible. I've had this discussion before, but can anybody shed some light on the subject?
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Lookee, Lookee- Who's rising out of the rubble!  And the rumors of your demise must have been just that - rumors!  The market may take a dip on Monday as this is a sure sign that loan volume is decreasing! (For those that don't know jaminid is a banker)
Seriously- welcome back!
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08-12-2006, 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike O
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Lookee, Lookee- Who's rising out of the rubble! And the rumors of your demise must have been just that - rumors! The market may take a dip on Monday as this is a sure sign that loan volume is decreasing! (For those that don't know jaminid is a banker)
Seriously- welcome back!
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Hey Mike. I never really went away, I've just been lurking, not posting. By the way, I'm still planning on taking you up on buying you dinner in exchange for a solid TGM discussion the next time I'm in So. Calo.!
I bet you rolled your eyes when you saw this post, because I think we've had this discussion before. I've just assumed Homer is basically referring to the right forearm flying wedge as the "in-line" part and the entire "primary lever assembly" for hitters because of the lack of rotation on the backing and only the "secondary lever assembly" for swingers since they rotate the club on plane.
You would think after 20+ years I would either know it all or quit trying!
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08-12-2006, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jaminid
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I have never fully understood the "directly opposed to secondary/primary lever assembly". When I read the section literally, I can't picture either being possible. I've had this discussion before, but can anybody shed some light on the subject?
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Ya I don't get this either...this is one of the sections of the book that I put a question mark beside.
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08-13-2006, 08:51 PM
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7-3, Loading Action
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Originally Posted by jaminid
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I have never fully understood the "directly opposed to secondary/primary lever assembly". When I read the section literally, I can't picture either being possible. I've had this discussion before, but can anybody shed some light on the subject?
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This light on the subject might only be a flicker instead of a quasar, but I’ll do my best. I’m not a Doctor of Physics, I just play one on T.V.
First of all, we have to talk about load. When a golf club is in any position other than hanging perfectly perpendicular to the ground, there will be a load (force) placed on the shaft that causes the shaft to bend. I think of it as gravity having leverage on you. It’s been said that when a fly lands on a railroad track, the fly bends the rail. To what extent I’ll never know, as it’s almost immeasurable. So, what forces are acting on the club? Gravity is one. Pressure created by the golfer is another.
Imagine the golfer that takes the club to End and also has the club parallel to the ground. Also imagine that the clubhead is a lead weight. When the shaft is parallel to the ground and perfectly on plane, the golfer has loaded the top of the shaft. The golfer feels the heavy loading of the shaft against the 1st knuckle of the 1st finger, especially when he changes direction. See 10-11-0-3 for the Swinger’s Rotating Lag Pressure Point. The Right Forearm position supports this loading of the Clubshaft (Secondary Lever Assembly). So, the Right Forearm position must be such that the arm can support the loading of the Clubshaft.
On the other hand, imagine a Hitter that takes the club short of Top. The shaft position that I want you to imagine is a shaft that stands perpendicular to the ground from the face-on view of the golfer. But from down-the-line, the Clubshaft would be perfectly On-Plane. The lead weight would now feel like it was falling behind you. In other words, you would be loading the side of the shaft. Therefore, the Hitter feels the pressure in the pad of the 1st joint of the 1st finger, the Fixed Lag Pressure Point. The Hitter is supporting the entire Primary Lever Assembly (the Left Arm and Clubshaft) with the position of the Right Forearm.
If you take a wet mop (don’t hurt yourself) and position it as I’ve described in each case, you’ll feel the load, and you’ll find the Right Forearm’s roll in that Loading Action.
I hope that clears some of the fog.
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08-13-2006, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by YodasLuke
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This light on the subject might only be a flicker instead of a quasar, but I’ll do my best. I’m not a Doctor of Physics, I just play one on T.V.
First of all, we have to talk about load. When a golf club is in any position other than hanging perfectly perpendicular to the ground, there will be a load (force) placed on the shaft that causes the shaft to bend. I think of it as gravity having leverage on you. It’s been said that when a fly lands on a railroad track, the fly bends the rail. To what extent I’ll never know, as it’s almost immeasurable. So, what forces are acting on the club? Gravity is one. Pressure created by the golfer is another.
Imagine the golfer that takes the club to End and also has the club parallel to the ground. Also imagine that the clubhead is a lead weight. When the shaft is parallel to the ground and perfectly on plane, the golfer has loaded the top of the shaft. The golfer feels the heavy loading of the shaft against the 1st knuckle of the 1st finger, especially when he changes direction. See 10-11-0-3 for the Swinger’s Rotating Lag Pressure Point. The Right Forearm position supports this loading of the Clubshaft (Secondary Lever Assembly). So, the Right Forearm position must be such that the arm can support the loading of the Clubshaft.
On the other hand, imagine a Hitter that takes the club short of Top. The shaft position that I want you to imagine is a shaft that stands perpendicular to the ground from the face-on view of the golfer. But from down-the-line, the Clubshaft would be perfectly On-Plane. The lead weight would now feel like it was falling behind you. In other words, you would be loading the side of the shaft. Therefore, the Hitter feels the pressure in the pad of the 1st joint of the 1st finger, the Fixed Lag Pressure Point. The Hitter is supporting the entire Primary Lever Assembly (the Left Arm and Clubshaft) with the position of the Right Forearm.
If you take a wet mop (don’t hurt yourself) and position it as I’ve described in each case, you’ll feel the load, and you’ll find the Right Forearm’s roll in that Loading Action.
I hope that clears some of the fog.
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Thanks for that. That's as clear an explanation as I've heard on this subject. Maybe I was just ready to hear it?
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08-14-2006, 12:02 PM
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Few Questions
Not sure I understand but can see the difference in the pictures. First, what did you do to get him to change? And second, how did it effect his shots? (Better, straighter, etc).
Just curious?
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08-14-2006, 12:54 PM
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The lead weight would now feel like it was falling behind you. In other words, you would be loading the side of the shaft.
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This in my opinion is why hitter s whotry to swing ..get the elbow & club stuck behind them...changing both elbow location and pressure point location during the downstroke...
Some people GET IT...some people GOT IT....Most just DON'T
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08-14-2006, 06:05 PM
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Thanks for that post Ted. Cleared some fog here for sure. The effort's appreciated.
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08-14-2006, 06:15 PM
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i dont get it though...not sure yet, could you somehow plant another seed?
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