Speed Training w/ Speedchain

[Yoda]

I own a swing chain. In fact, it is my second since I upgraded to a heavier size. When I began using it about a year ago, my swing speed was 96 mph and would sometimes top 103. Now, my swing speed is 105 and will sometimes top 111. This is the only training device I use. I love it.

Good stuff, exgolfpro. Thanks!

How do you use it? For example, number of reps per set, time per set, etc. Also, do you prefer continuous motion or individual 'explosive' Motions?

[rspacher]

I have owned a SC since March...
I used it consistently for about 3 months as weather permitted, outside on my lawn...
I did the continuous 5-10 rep method, as hard as I could...5 sets, 5-10 rep method..
Before SC I was around 102-105 with an occasional 107-110...
After using the SC just a couple of weeks....my mechanics got much better very quickly...went to 110-112 with the occasional 117...
All of the above swing speeds were measured with the Swing Speed radar with tempo timer...
Well summer brought a 12 week project that shut down my golf game completely...
But now its time for the winter off season training...
My goal is to get up to 120 smoothly, powerfully and consistently...
The SC is the only golf specific training aid I will use…
I lift weights in the gym twice a week, this combined with the SC should get me to my goal…

Thanks

Richard

[bwkitche]

Okay, I recorded 10 "playing" swings with the 7 iron and driver 10 days ago when I started using the chain...

Driver was 99-102 with a max of 108.
7 Iron was 70-73 with a max of 75.

10 days later...after doing 5 sets of 10 continuous reps every other day...

Driver is 103-108 with a max of 112.
7 iron is 75-77 with a max of 81.

All swing speeds were measured with the Swing Speed Radar w/ Tempo Timer.

I'm not ready to anoint the chains just yet...but I'm certainly encouraged by the results thus far.

Bacc

[davel]

I have just started working out with the speedchain as yoda has said the lag and feel of the chains is remarkable. But like others on this forum I questioned if it work for me since I have pivot issues . I decided to call a 70 year old instructor who specializes on clubhead speed. That 70 year old can swing the club now at 127 mph!! I told him about my disability and the inability to rotate my hips and that I could not see how I could be able to get the speed I needed. His answer was speed is generated by the arms and hands. The faster you move them in both directions on plane the longer the ball will go. He uses 3 different types of training to build your speed up. The first is the swing chain which has been discussed. The second is a device called the xlr8r (accelerator) which is shaft with a ball on the end of it that has velcro on half of the ball. You swing the club as fast as you can and hit a pad that has velcro on it and has some resistance. If you swing the club on plane with a square clubface the club will stick and you must try to complete the followthru. You use the speed radar with the tempo and you work on speeding the tempo, making consistent contact and ending in a proper finish. In minutes when I tried this I increased my clubhead speed 10 mph. The resistance of the pad really makes you active muscles you do not normally use and the quicker tempo has been shown to correlate to distance. Fred couple Tempo is as fast as the best of them he just swings so smoothly it looks slow.

Thus both devices the swing chain and the xlr8r are devices that you swing fast with resistance in effect. The swing chain is constant the xlr8r is after impact so you naturally accelerate through or you wont't finish with the pad over the back. Besides these benfits Ben prefers this product because he believes people get the hit instinct and casting problems etc. when there is a ball there .

Finally he is working with a shaft with just surgical tubing at the end and you swing that like a whip. For those who think the 2mph rotation of the hips generates the power just swing that stick and focus on rotation versus arms and hand speed it will be clear what will make it snap the fastest.

Finally Ben has had people generate more speed swinging on stools with only arm and hand movements . As ben states the number one purpose of the body is to be a stable base to support the swinging motion.

Bens style is unique but he gets results. I am not preaching you see him I am just trying to say that he has a number of success stories in this area and if he believes and teaches and gets results by saying just swing those arms and hands as fast as you can you will train yourself to hit the ball furthur than you thought possible. By the way when when I video my swing There is no way when I look at the video that I can tell that when I swing my arms and thus my hands that I am not rotating my core and turning my shoulders and when I finish my chest is at the target that you can tell this was a direct result of just moving the hands. Well maybe that is what hands controlled pivot is all about.

Ernest jones in swing the clubhead stated that if you swing the clubhead per his definition that all the body movement and actions that happen are just the result of the proper swinging motion and many of his students did very well. A number of professionals do give credit for much of their success just from this book.

Well I know this information will not satisfy most of the people but then tell me why Tiger Woods and VJ singh hit the ball about the same distance and the pivot speed of Woods is much faster than Vj's.

Also there are 4 accumulators 3 of which relate to the arms and hands. Also why was the body one given the last number.

Just food for thought

Dave

[Yoda]

Just food for thought

Great post, Dave. Thanks!

[Mike O]

Fred couple Tempo is as fast as the best of them he just swings so smoothly it looks slow.


Well I know this information will not satisfy most of the people but then tell me why Tiger Woods and VJ singh hit the ball about the same distance and the pivot speed of Woods is much faster than Vj's.

Dave

Dave,
I'm always looking for additonal scientific information on the golf swing. Where can I find information on Fred Couples tempo and other PGA tour player's tempo measurements.

Also, where did you find measurements on pivot speed for the tour pros?

Thanks in advance!
Mike O.

[davel]

The Tempos for most of the better players is in the book called Tour Tempo. The author John Novell of the book is the inventor of the xlr8r club. Fred Couples and many others are in there. Some of the numbers are suprising. For example Greg Norman looks much faster than Ernie Ells yet Ernie is faster than Greg.The work he did was with Ben Jackson who he does acknowledge. Ben Jackson gave me the 2 mph hip speed. I do not know where he obtained this information. I would guess using high speed film you could figure it out .

The book is interesting in that many professional players when working on the range say they are working on their timing and tempo but they could not describe what they meant and only a few were using metronomes. So he studied videos and found out the pga pros tempo tended to be much faster than average amateurs. He also found that the pros downswing time was 3 times their backswing times. He looked at filmed footage and could correlate some bad shots when either the players overall time or the 3 to 1 ratio was not followed. He has helped many amateurs improve by just having them work on increasing their overall tempo and get that 3 to 1 beat. John Novell has a scientific background but he acknowledges that the facts that back up his claims is the studies of the numerous good and not so good players that he has measured. For $3000 you can get a lesson from Novell in the state of Kansas.

Dave

[Mike O]

The Tempos for most of the better players is in the book called Tour Tempo. The author John Novell of the book is the inventor of the xlr8r club. Fred Couples and many others are in there. Some of the numbers are suprising. For example Greg Norman looks much faster than Ernie Ells yet Ernie is faster than Greg.The work he did was with Ben Jackson who he does acknowledge. Ben Jackson gave me the 2 mph hip speed. I do not know where he obtained this information. I would guess using high speed film you could figure it out .

The book is interesting in that many professional players when working on the range say they are working on their timing and tempo but they could not describe what they meant and only a few were using metronomes. So he studied videos and found out the pga pros tempo tended to be much faster than average amateurs. He also found that the pros downswing time was 3 times their backswing times. He looked at filmed footage and could correlate some bad shots when either the players overall time or the 3 to 1 ratio was not followed. He has helped many amateurs improve by just having them work on increasing their overall tempo and get that 3 to 1 beat. John Novell has a scientific background but he acknowledges that the facts that back up his claims is the studies of the numerous good and not so good players that he has measured. For $3000 you can get a lesson from Novell in the state of Kansas.

Dave

Thanks Dave- I'll check out the book. Does it cover in there - Tigers faster pivot versus Vj's?

P.S. That lesson price sounds like a good deal. I'm currently charging $15,000 for a 1/2 day lesson and Bucket's charging $500,000 for an hour lesson. PM Bucket to check on his availability.