PP#3 Where are you?/Downswing Layoff

[cometgolfer]

Something just occurred to me after watching the referenced video again.

Is it possible that a swinger (who doesn't understand the "quarter turn rotation of pp#3" that occurs going to "end") could actually be helping to get the club under-plane at the start of the downswing by trying to feel pp#3"behind" the shaft instead of on the "top" of it? I'm talking of a "Sergio-like" transition move (and one that I've fought for a long long time).

It's as if I want to feel that pressure behind-the-shaft throughout the whole swing. In order to feel it there while at the "end" position I would have to get the clubface pointing skyward, and, unless I was really working to support the weight of the club, it would naturally start falling vertically downward. I'm usually able to get it back on plane nearing impact but I know it's not as efficient as it can be due to the off-plane start down.

I've struggled with fixing this motion and never seem to be able to do it. I contend it's because I don't have a good handle on the root cause. Just wanted to see if anyone thinks the above explanation/reasoning is plausible.

Thanks,

CG

[rogerdodger]

I hope it is plausible because I do the same thing. It seems that regardless of my backswing, my club just dives underplane on the downswing. Can't wait to see the answer to the post.

[spike]

I've tried the "Sergio" move....it takes too much agility.

The main problem for me was my hands kept getting behind my body.

[drewitgolf]

While it is difficult to provide the advise you seek without seeing your motion, I would suggest you look at the following for starters:

1. Lack of Extensor Action
2. Overly Agressive Hip Turn (Slide) which may cause your Right Shoulder to move too vertically at Start Down, rather than Down Plane. If the Right Shoulder doesn't move Down Plane (Down and OUT) your may run out of Right Arm by the time you get to the ball.
3. Your Off Plane Motion to get to the Top (above Plane) creates momentum that forces your Arms to drop below Plane at Start Down: similar to a Reverse Loop (10-7-E) or a Reverse Loop Shift (10-7-G) but both Under Plane.

Any sound familiar?

[cometgolfer]

Drewit,

ummmmm......Yes..... particularly #1 and #3. I've worked some on both, but tend to ease back into my old habits over a period of time. I think I need to get a little more of a structured plan to working these into my practice routine.

Thanks for the input.

CG

[rogerdodger]

Great reply, thanks Drewit, something to work on. I always felt that lack of extensor action in the downswing was a major culprit. Any drills or feels that would help with one, two or three?

[Yoda]

While it is difficult to provide the advise you seek without seeing your motion, I would suggest you look at the following for starters:

1. Lack of Extensor Action
2. Overly Agressive Hip Turn (Slide) which may cause your Right Shoulder to move too vertically at Start Down, rather than Down Plane. If the Right Shoulder doesn't move Down Plane (Down and OUT) your may run out of Right Arm by the time you get to the ball.
3. Your Off Plane Motion to get to the Top (above Plane) creates momentum that forces your Arms to drop below Plane at Start Down: similar to a Reverse Loop (10-7-E) or a Reverse Loop Shift (10-7-G) but both Under Plane.

Any sound familiar?

Great stuff from one of the most knowledgeable men in the biz:

A Class A member of the PGA of America with more than 20 years of 'on the line' experience;

An Authorized Instructor of The Golfing Machine; and

A Professional Contributor to LynnBlakeGolf.com.

Not to mention the fact that he has one of the largest golf libraries of anyone on the planet.



What a resource for LBG'ers!

Thanks, Drew. You are a true friend of LBG, and I appreciate so much your contributions to our site and members.



To learn more about Drew Chapman, PGA, GSEB, go here http://lynnblakegolf.com/cmps_index.php?page=pros and scroll to his name in the dialog box.

[12 piece bucket]

Great stuff from one of the most knowledgeable men in the biz:

A Class A member of the PGA of America with more than 20 years of 'on the line' experience;

An Authorized Instructor of The Golfing Machine; and

A Professional Contributor to LynnBlakeGolf.com.

Not to mention the fact that he has one of the largest golf libraries of anyone on the planet.



What a resource for LBG'ers!

Thanks, Drew. You are a true friend of LBG, and I appreciate so much your contributions to our site and members.



To learn more about Drew Chapman, PGA, GSEB, go here http://lynnblakegolf.com/cmps_index.php?page=pros and scroll to his name in the dialog box.

I'll 2nd all of that! Drew is the best dude I have NEVER met. We have burned up some phone lines talking Machine. He is a GREAT guy and in an elite class when it comes to knowing the Machine and its translation.

Here's to one of the few and the proud! When Silver Surfer speaks from his trusty board . . . better listen up!