Coil

[lagster]

We know that the POWER ACCUMULATORS are all in the ARMS...Left Wrist Cock, Bent Right Arm, Left Arm Blast Off, and the Roll Power of the Left Wrist.

How about the Coil? We have all heard of the "X" Factor, the Coil, etc.. There are even different ways of doing this. The Restrict the Hip Turn way, and the Have the Weight go Over-and-Back before the backswing is finished way to produce a type of coil, or a combination of these... maybe even other ways.

How much power is in this? What do you think?

[dkerby]

Yoda has a drill for short pitch shots that seems to set up coil during
the address. Set the toes toward the target but set the shoulders
parallel to the target line. You will feel immediated stretch of the muscles
for a good pivot. Then take the club back back a short distance and
turn the hips left for the down stroke. The stretch of the muscles can
be felt throughout the downstroke. Next, only open the feet 45 degrees
and hit the ball a little further with the same feels of stretch. One
problem that I am not sure of is ball placement in relation to the feet?
Seems that moving the ball a little forward toward the target helps.
Another thing that helps me is to concentrate on maintaining a bent
wright wrist through impact and let the pivot do the job. Next you can
take a square stance and hit shots with with feel of lag that you got
from the previous exercises. I think that you will feel the shoulders
lagging the hips throughout the downstroke.

Seems that Hogan and V.J. Trolio accomplished the the same thing
later in the swing when they had the arms moving back while the
lower body was moving forward/pivoting left.

[elliskit]

We know that the POWER ACCUMULATORS are all in the ARMS...Left Wrist Cock, Bent Right Arm, Left Arm Blast Off, and the Roll Power of the Left Wrist.

How about the Coil? We have all heard of the "X" Factor, the Coil, etc.. There are even different ways of doing this. The Restrict the Hip Turn way, and the Have the Weight go Over-and-Back before the backswing is finished way to produce a type of coil, or a combination of these... maybe even other ways.

How much power is in this? What do you think?

For me, concentrating on increasing "torque" in the backswing causes more problems than the potential power gain. I think most "average" golfers would do better to not overdo the pivot on the backswing to avoid disrupting alignments and, subsequently, balance and rhythm.

There have been several good threads regarding the subject of the pivot:
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=5125
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=3997
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=2412
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=2249

It is important that the HANDS control the pivot. In other words, nothing that the pivot does should disrupt the programmed path, rhythm, and speed of the hands through the aiming point from start up to top to finish.

Also, when trying to increase power, it is easy to overaccelerate.
Per 6-C-2-D: "Over-Acceleration is the menace that stalks all Lag and Drag. Here it allows the Hands to reach maximum speed before reaching Impact and so dissipates the Lag. So the LENGTH of the Stroke and the amount of Thrust should be adjusted and balanced to produce a "High Thrust - Low Speed" Impact - "heavy" rather than "quick". Daintiness is dangerous."

[Burner]

Considering that the hips move at around 2mph for only a short distance and the shoulders at around 5mph for not much further, you have to question just how much effect they have on swing speed - and it is swing speed (Homer's version of "Power Accumulation") we are talking here not "torque" or any other power generation as commonly spoken of outside of the TGM fold.

The pivot, hips and shoulders, et al, is, by and large, only a transportation medium for the lever assembly - the swinging arms and club.

[12 piece bucket]

We know that the POWER ACCUMULATORS are all in the ARMS...Left Wrist Cock, Bent Right Arm, Left Arm Blast Off, and the Roll Power of the Left Wrist.

How about the Coil? We have all heard of the "X" Factor, the Coil, etc.. There are even different ways of doing this. The Restrict the Hip Turn way, and the Have the Weight go Over-and-Back before the backswing is finished way to produce a type of coil, or a combination of these... maybe even other ways.

How much power is in this? What do you think?

All the power accumulators are are basically joints that get out of their in line condition right? Same deal with the pivot. Joints that connect bones and crap that get out of line and then get in line to produce balanced rotary motion that is centered. So if you go look in the mirror and put a piece of tape where you can monitor your head . . . or whatever you chose your pivot center to be . . . you can move your body in all different kinds of ways and keep the center in place. The key is figuring out what works best for you . . .

[Mathew]

We know that the POWER ACCUMULATORS are all in the ARMS...Left Wrist Cock, Bent Right Arm, Left Arm Blast Off, and the Roll Power of the Left Wrist.

How about the Coil? We have all heard of the "X" Factor, the Coil, etc.. There are even different ways of doing this. The Restrict the Hip Turn way, and the Have the Weight go Over-and-Back before the backswing is finished way to produce a type of coil, or a combination of these... maybe even other ways.

How much power is in this? What do you think?

What your really talking about here is what is called what Homer Kelley cited as the pivot train. Ben Hogan also wrote about it in his book also. Its basically a cause and effect - moving the hands which moves the shoulders which moves the hips which moves the legs...etc

However I think the word coil is somewhat misleading. If you use in as figurative sence and not in the literal sence... thats ok. However 'coiling' has to me has a connotation of by the manner of actively providing resistance like a mechanism. It is not an active resistance but merely a pure adherance to pivot train concept whereby you "allow" one part of your body to move the next. Actively Resisting won't give you any more power and will infact deplete your ability to load and then fire the no.4 accumulator- the key word is 'allow'. This way there will be no 'slack' in your pivot ready for the downstroke.

It has been said by some 'critics' of Homer Kelley that by telling a pupil to just move their hands is a dangerous concept because when they do they just don't pivot. They know the book well enough to know that they are being disingenous and are creating what is called a strawman arguement. Their statement is correct but no one is saying to 'just move' their hands - Homer Kelley outlined the pivot train very precisely. They use the same arguement against Homer Kelleys hands controlled pivot concept - if they read the book they should know this, so either they're being disingenious or they cannot read.

[Yoda]

What your really talking about here is what is called what Homer Kelley cited as the pivot train.

. . . and my prayers have been answered!

Nowhere -- and at no time -- has there been a greater seeker (and giver) of G.O.L.F.!

[Mathew]

. . . and my prayers have been answered!

Nowhere -- and at no time -- has there been a greater seeker (and giver) of G.O.L.F.!

Thanks Yoda