Aligning the Clubface

[Daryl]

[quote=Mike O;93600]

Mike O.,

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Tong's quote is correct in that you are not manipulating your hands in funky ways during the swing - but incorrect in that you are in whatever subtle way - making sure you arrive at impact in a certain way with your lead hand and your overall sense of the clubface is something that would have part of your awareness no matter how subtle (you don't get carried away with it to an extreme). The True swinger wouldn't need to worry about clubface or lead hand position.

Not an easy thing to differentiate because we are talking about your mind's area of focus, whether subtle or ingrained. More interesting theory than practical application IMO.

The difference leads to very important application.

When the ball is located further aft of Low Point, the Geometry of the Circle dictates that the Ball must also - move in toward the feet. That creates a "New" Angle of Approach. Re-alining the Clubface square to the new Angle of Approach for Impact, the "Steeper" Plane Angle increases the Closing Ratio of the Right Forearm Angle of Approach. This can/will sustain the "Line of Compression" and create Straight-Away Flight using the Identical Low Point of the "Normal" (for any particular club) setup. Playing the Ball Back leads to much deeper divots.

So... a Hands Manipulated Swinger will have the Hands Ahead at Impact as dictated by the Right Forearm Angle of Approach.

A "True Swinger" utilizes the same Angle of Approach engineered into the Hook-Face of any Club and forgoes Manipulating the Clubface at Setup. Although Homer said that "True Swingers" can only use one location for - straight away flight - he assumes everyone knows that a True Swinger can hit Straight Shots from various Ball Locations by altering the Plane and Stance Lines thus causing "Straight Pushes" and "Straight Pulls".

So a True Swinger will not alter the geometry of the Golf Club but he will relocate "Low-Point" and his divot depth will always be the same. Homer is correct (as always), not many, if anyone uses this strategy. But not because they can't, but because it doesn't offer the depth of options needed to overcome playing conditions such as "Ball below the Feet" or hitting a Straight Shot from a "Downhill Lie" or hitting from 6" rough in the US Open.

So vary the "Low Point" or "re-align the Club". "True" vs. "Manipulated". In other words, "change your Alignment" or "Change the Clubs Alignment". It's all about choices. HK says the Golf Swing has many choices.

(all of this is readily explained and demonstrated in my video series - soon to be released)

[innercityteacher]

I did not know this and it explains my longest drives of +/- 300 yards! Y'all are beasts!

LMAO!

[HungryBear]

[quote=Daryl;93615]

The difference leads to very important application.

When the ball is located further aft of Low Point, the Geometry of the Circle dictates that the Ball must also - move in toward the feet. That creates a "New" Angle of Approach. Re-alining the Clubface square to the new Angle of Approach for Impact, the "Steeper" Plane Angle increases the Closing Ratio of the Right Forearm Angle of Approach. This can/will sustain the "Line of Compression" and create Straight-Away Flight using the Identical Low Point of the "Normal" (for any particular club) setup. Playing the Ball Back leads to much deeper divots.

So... a Hands Manipulated Swinger will have the Hands Ahead at Impact as dictated by the Right Forearm Angle of Approach.

A "True Swinger" utilizes the same Angle of Approach engineered into the Hook-Face of any Club and forgoes Manipulating the Clubface at Setup. Although Homer said that "True Swingers" can only use one location for - straight away flight - he assumes everyone knows that a True Swinger can hit Straight Shots from various Ball Locations by altering the Plane and Stance Lines thus causing "Straight Pushes" and "Straight Pulls".

So a True Swinger will not alter the geometry of the Golf Club but he will relocate "Low-Point" and his divot depth will always be the same. Homer is correct (as always), not many, if anyone uses this strategy. But not because they can't, but because it doesn't offer the depth of options needed to overcome playing conditions such as "Ball below the Feet" or hitting a Straight Shot from a "Downhill Lie" or hitting from 6" rough in the US Open.

So vary the "Low Point" or "Manipulate the Hands". It's all about choices. HK says the Golf Swing has many choices.

(all of this is readily explained and demonstrated in my video series - soon to be released)

I will be pulling the discussion further from the thread but now I am confused.

I thought I understood 7-2, Yes I do. In that line of thinking I also associate Horizontal hinging with swinging and angled hinging with hitting. any other hinge associations are manipulations. I was under the impression the rest of the geometry was "self correcting" . I guess I need a way to get un-connfused now.

HB

[Mike O]

[quote=Daryl;93615]

The difference leads to very important application.

When the ball is located further aft of Low Point, the Geometry of the Circle dictates that the Ball must also - move in toward the feet. That creates a "New" Angle of Approach. Re-alining the Clubface square to the new Angle of Approach for Impact, the "Steeper" Plane Angle increases the Closing Ratio of the Right Forearm Angle of Approach. This can/will sustain the "Line of Compression" and create Straight-Away Flight using the Identical Low Point of the "Normal" (for any particular club) setup. Playing the Ball Back leads to much deeper divots.

So... a Hands Manipulated Swinger will have the Hands Ahead at Impact as dictated by the Right Forearm Angle of Approach.

A "True Swinger" utilizes the same Angle of Approach engineered into the Hook-Face of any Club and forgoes Manipulating the Clubface at Setup. Although Homer said that "True Swingers" can only use one location for - straight away flight - he assumes everyone knows that a True Swinger can hit Straight Shots from various Ball Locations by altering the Plane and Stance Lines thus causing "Straight Pushes" and "Straight Pulls".

So a True Swinger will not alter the geometry of the Golf Club but he will relocate "Low-Point" and his divot depth will always be the same(for straight shots). Homer is correct (as always), not many, if anyone uses this strategy. But not because they can't, but because it doesn't offer the depth of options needed to overcome playing conditions such as "Ball below the Feet" or hitting a Straight Shot from a "Downhill Lie" or hitting from 6" rough in the US Open.

So vary the "Low Point" or "re-align the Club". "True" vs. "Manipulated". In other words, "change your Alignment" or "Change the Clubs Alignment". It's all about choices. HK says the Golf Swing has many choices.

(all of this is readily explained and demonstrated in my video series - soon to be released)

Juicy stuff Daryl!

Lots of opportunity for clarification and learning here. Your first paragraph - took me a little time to understand it - probably will fly over the heads of many. Specifically, it's a procedure for moving the ball back for the manipulated swinger or hitter and still hit a straight shot with a steeper angle of attack and lower ball flight.

Check what I added in red in your quote above and see if you agree.

Can you define or clarify what you mean in two sections in your post?
A "True Swinger" utilizes the same Angle of Approach engineered into the Hook-Face of any Club and

Although Homer said that "True Swingers" can only use one location for - straight away flight - he assumes everyone knows that a True Swinger can hit Straight Shots from various Ball Locations by altering the Plane and Stance Lines thus causing "Straight Pushes" and "Straight Pulls".

And HB is correct - 7-2 is probably one of the more relevant sections that relates to this thread. HB - As a side note - not sure how you quoted Daryl above but it looks like it was originally posted by me which is unfortunate. I'm assuming you are just using the quote button? Daryl actually has a quote a couple above that where the same thing happened - it was my quote but says originally posted by Bumpy.

[HungryBear]

Daryl, Mike O, O.B.Left
Here is what I need clarified:
As I understand it- HK said swinger uses Horizontal Hinging, Hitters use angled hinging. If the hitter uses other than angled or the swinger uses other than horizontal there is manipulation.
Is that your understanding?

HB

[Daryl]

Daryl, Mike O, O.B.Left
Here is what I need clarified:
As I understand it- HK said swinger uses Horizontal Hinging, Hitters use angled hinging. If the hitter uses other than angled or the swinger uses other than horizontal there is manipulation.
Is that your understanding?

HB

Not necessarily. A Swinger can introduce "Layback" to the Dual Horizontal Hinge by Tracing the Angle of Approach at Impact (See Greg McHatton). Is that Manipulation? no.

[HungryBear]

Not necessarily. A Swinger can introduce "Layback" to the Dual Horizontal Hinge by Tracing the Angle of Approach at Impact (See Greg McHatton). Is that Manipulation? no.

A little lost here. Ar5e you talking about the "extension" and hand speed through impact?

HB

[Daryl]

A little lost here. Ar5e you talking about the "extension" and hand speed through impact?

HB

Hey, don't make me threadjack.

I'm talking about the Arc of Approach vs. the Angle of Approach.

[HungryBear]

Back to clubface alignment:

The mechaanics are clear:
7-2
and
This thread

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ipulated+hands

As for delivery-
CF is the physics for all swinging, not directly but through the assembly.

There - back on topic with a simple declaritory statement. resume fire.

HB

[MizunoJoe]

Not necessarily. A Swinger can introduce "Layback" to the Dual Horizontal Hinge by Tracing the Angle of Approach at Impact (See Greg McHatton). Is that Manipulation? no.

Neither is a delivery line roll according to the Yoda/Tongzilla discussion above. So closing the club face at address is hand manipulation, but deliberately rolling the left wrist is not.