Reactive pivot
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06-15-2013, 08:04 PM
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same here
My faults in my swing have been axactly the same as yours to a tee,I discovered that it was my shoulders were not following the correct axis through the swing,to explain it ,my hips were on correct axis (or turn)my backswing shoulder turn was correct axis but that was the end of story right there,from there it was a pure and simple OTT,i corrected it somewhat straight away by using the left step and bump. But the "BIG" thought was and is turning my shoulders around my spine ....just keeping everything centred around the proper axis............its working for me...hope it helps 
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06-16-2013, 11:41 PM
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Nice video Air thanks . IMO when Lynn says he's hitting .....he's hitting in the Homer fashion....active right arm extension but bent at impact, straight at both arms straight, follow through. Well thats what he taught me anyways when we went over hitting.
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08-17-2013, 08:06 PM
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Help shoulder not getting back to plane
Folks
I originally start this with a question on my pivot activation and you responses were instrumental in some quality ball striking. So I'm back for some more help.
2 weeks back I lost all compression on the ball and I began missing it both ways. Just terrible shots high, floaty, week shot after shot. Lost EA and can't get it back, my downswing is a total black out.
Today I had to take a look on video. What I can see is my right shoulder fails to get back to the plane line established by the right arm and shaft and I'm losing my tush line in the downswing. My butt is a good 2-3 inches closer to the ball.
http://youtu.be/wknEyM9sNVw
What do you guys think I should do to address this and are the two related?
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08-18-2013, 02:54 PM
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Loss of Extensor Action seem to bring the right elbow too far back, the elbow is a bit too far back in the dowswing (kind of stuck behind the body unless you slide the hips a lot).
RFT with more fanning and less early swivel should put you in a better position with more EA.
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08-18-2013, 04:01 PM
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Thanks for the post
Your take is quite interesting to me because I have never really felt much fanning also about the time the ball started going both ways I noticed that I had a huge hip slide.
Other than "war chant walrus" do you have any links or videos demonstrating fanning?
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08-18-2013, 04:54 PM
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Not specifically. I remember Lynn saying that it's mostly just sending the right hand to the Top but I don't remember if it was in a video or in the forum.
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08-18-2013, 05:09 PM
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Lots of nice stuff Epawl.
Re your stance and start up from impact fix. You can still have a sense of lag and drag despite the fact you start up with the hands ahead of the club head. In my last lesson with Lynn (we're into double digits) he talked about this very thing. He told me that Jack Nicklaus in the video that accompanied Golf My Way (if memory serves) described a sense a feel for clubhead lag despite the fact he started form impact fix. Lynn also alludes to this in his video with Brian Gay on this site. The Melhourne / MacDonald drills that Hogan described in Five Lessons , the continuous swinging drill where you brush the grass in both directions ..... while hitting a line of balls (optionally , ideally) lends itself to a lagging takeaway . RFT in Homers terms means you are PULLING it back and therefore dragging it back with the clubhead LAGGING THE HANDS to varying degrees. Literally as seen in Hogan , Nelson or in feel only as Jack described.
Lagging TAkeaway was for me, upon Lynns insistence , encouragement , the gateway to what Homer called a "one piece total motion" . As seen in Dufner , Rory , Hogan , Nelson etc etc etc. Lag and drag in two directions.
BTW Lynn would have you point your eyes directly at the ball , chin down . Probably the first thing he would say to you. It'll simplify your motion , automate your stop at Top mechanically and give you a better view of the plane line.. When putting it will allow for both eyes to see the hole, stereoscopic vision ... imperative to one perception of distance ... it makes 2D turn into 3D. In regards to your finish ...... dont finish swivel with your eyes parallel to the ground . That will make your body , pivot too erect prematurely . Come up with your eye line more diagonal ...it will fix your pivot in finish .
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Last edited by O.B.Left : 08-19-2013 at 09:40 AM.
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08-19-2013, 10:59 PM
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OB
Thanks for the insight!
To recap your thoughts:
1. Chin down
2. Eyes exit with finish of pivot
3. Lag and drag (feel) from impact fix
Question
With my chin down should my eyes be parallel to the base of the plane or tilted to match the axis tilt at set up.
*** when I set my chin down and my eyes parallel my center of gravity seems to move back towards my rear and I feel a bit more comfortable with less knee flex. Does this sound like I'm on the right path? Some practice swings with my chin down have definitely shorten my backswing and based on the mirror my hands don't seem to be as stuck.
Any drills to learn the lag and drag from impact fix?
Here's the same swing face on..... http://youtu.be/zsVxvD9IDkM
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