Right forearm takeaway

[teach]

I've begun to use the right forearm takeaway for my full swings. However, I don't see how it could be used for the basic stroke or the acquired stroke. Am I correct about this, or do those of you who are more skilled use some sort of abbreviated RFT for these shorter strokes? (I should add that I try to use a swinging feel for all of my strokes). Thank you.

teach

P.S.- Bucket, the book you recommended just arrived from Amazon, along with a blues DVD that I ordered. Golf and blues: what a combination!

[Yoda]

I've begun to use the right forearm takeaway for my full swings. However, I don't see how it could be used for the basic stroke or the acquired stroke. Am I correct about this, or do those of you who are more skilled use some sort of abbreviated RFT for these shorter strokes?

teach,

If you are not using the Right Forearm to take the Club away in the shortest Strokes...

What are you using?

[12 piece bucket]

I've begun to use the right forearm takeaway for my full swings. However, I don't see how it could be used for the basic stroke or the acquired stroke. Am I correct about this, or do those of you who are more skilled use some sort of abbreviated RFT for these shorter strokes? (I should add that I try to use a swinging feel for all of my strokes). Thank you.

teach

P.S.- Bucket, the book you recommended just arrived from Amazon, along with a blues DVD that I ordered. Golf and blues: what a combination!

Teach,

Head to the Archives . . . you must find the Magic of the Right Forearm Primer. It will change your life . . . FOREVER!!! Some of Collards & Hock's best STUFF. Nobody teaches the Wedges like the LGM.

You're gonna dig Pia's book.

Now off to the Archives young man . . . or you'll be required to stay after class and pick gum from underneath desks!!!

[teach]

Yoda,

Your question actually confounded me. I had to get a club that I keep behind my couch to test this. It seems that for the two-foot back and two-foot forward motion of a short chip that I move the triangle of my arms and the club as a unit. To answer your question literally, I guess that both of my arms take the club away. At this time, my understanding of the right forearm takeaway is that it is a simultaneous upward and backward motion, as if I were bending my right elbow to take an oath. Is this correct? If so, I don't see how this could be executed with the extremely short length of a greenside chip, assuming that I am trying to buid a swinging procedure for all shots. I do see how a short RFT would be fine if I wanted to use a mini hitting procedure for chipping, but my logic is that I should swing for all strokes before I begin to mix procedures. Is either my thought process or execution incorrect in your view?

As for the acquired motion that I would use for pitches, I have also been using both arms to take the club away until I get to the "toe up" position. I just experimented with this and do see how I could use an abbreviated RFT for this shot.

I absolutely see that mastering these shorter swings will help me develop my full swing, so I value any assistance that you and the forum members can provide.

Thank you very much.

teach

[12 piece bucket]

Yoda,

Your question actually confounded me. I had to get a club that I keep behind my couch to test this. It seems that for the two-foot back and two-foot forward motion of a short chip that I move the triangle of my arms and the club as a unit. To answer your question literally, I guess that both of my arms take the club away. At this time, my understanding of the right forearm takeaway is that it is a simultaneous upward and backward motion, as if I were bending my right elbow to take an oath. Is this correct? If so, I don't see how this could be executed with the extremely short length of a greenside chip, assuming that I am trying to buid a swinging procedure for all shots. I do see how a short RFT would be fine if I wanted to use a mini hitting procedure for chipping, but my logic is that I should swing for all strokes before I begin to mix procedures. Is either my thought process or execution incorrect in your view?

As for the acquired motion that I would use for pitches, I have also been using both arms to take the club away until I get to the "toe up" position. I just experimented with this and do see how I could use an abbreviated RFT for this shot.

I absolutely see that mastering these shorter swings will help me develop my full swing, so I value any assistance that you and the forum members can provide.

Thank you very much.

teach

Teach,

Learn to use your Right Forearm Flying Wedge on the HORIZONTAL PLANE (like baseball) . . . This should help from the archives:

keeping your On Plane Right Arm Flying Wedge Intact and on a Horizontal Plane.

Shift your Body into its Impact Fix Alignments.

Keeping your Right Forearm Flying Wedge intact -- that means Right Wrist Bent and dowel parallel to the floor (or ground) -- move the Club into an On Horizontal Plane Backstroke by Bending your Right Elbow.

From there, move the Club into an On Horizontal Plane Downstroke STRAIGHTENING YOUR RIGHT ARM WHILE KEEPING YOUR WRIST BENT. Do this over and over and over and over and over.

Look, Look LOOK to make sure there is ABSOLUTELY NO FLATTENING OF THE RIGHT WRIST!!! IT MUST REMAIN IN ITS BENT AND LEVEL CONDITION.

Then drop your Right Forearm Flying Wedge onto the Inclined Plane and REPEAT THE EXACT SAME MOTION. Do this over and over and over and over and over. Bend the Right Elbow. Straighten the Right Elbow. Keeping the Right Wrist Bent.

Alternate back and forth between Horizontal Plane practice and Inclined Plane Practice. Listen to the dowel Swish as you Straighten the Right Elbow. Do this every day until further notice.

The key alignment that is overlooked is LEVEL. Everybody can get the Bent part wrt/ the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. But if your Right Wrist ain't LEVEL . . . you ain't got no wedge!!! Never Never Never COCK your Right Wrist. The Right Wrist DOES NOT take the club UP . . . keep your head betwixt your feets . . . keep your Right Wrist LEVEL and BENT . . . take the club UP Plane with your Right Forearm by BENDING your elbow.

Unfortunately the PIC are NO LONGER THERE!!!

Trig . . . Can we fix the Magic of the Right Forearm Primer pics? They are TOO GOOD to not be out here SOMEWHERE . . .

[birdie_man]

I think I know what you mean Teach...

ESPECIALLY with short strokes.

I cannot chip well if I feel like I SOLELY use my right forearm to take the club away (as the first move)....although the concept has been absolutely amazing for my putting (I did a post in the puttin' section a while back).

In my full swing, and especially chip/pitch shots, I like to focus on my left shoulder/chest connection (PP #4)....I turn back and simultaneously add Extensor Action with my r. forearm.

R. forearm alone feels too flimzy.....just not right to me....to have to switch from taking it back with the r. forearm to pulling downward with the left shoulder beginning in the Start Down and into the Down Stroke. Dunno....it just has never jived for me.

...

What you have to understand though....is that when people say "Right Forearm Takeaway" or w/e.....really, even if you feel it in your left shoulder as the first move.....something is lifting the club to the top. And THAT is exactly what the right forearm's job is....and to add Extensor Action.

I'll use the same example comdpa used a while ago on Chuck's forum...

Imagine your arms are ropes. They are attached to a club. Now....imagine what would happen if you simply turned your shoulders to take the club back........it wouldn't work too well.

In order to get the club off the ground and anywhere near "the plane" (Turned Shoulder Plane) the right forearm lifts....whether you are aware of it or not.

[teach]

Bucket,

Thank you for your excerpt from the archives. Can you tell me where on the archives you found this? I did a search for "magic of the right forearm primer," and did not see a post with that title.

Also, my interpretation of the section on the downstroke is that it describes a hitting procedure. Am I correct about this? If so, what would be the procedure for a swinger's chip?

I won't see any responses until tomorrow because I'm going offline now, but I appreciate all of the help that I'm getting.

teach

[12 piece bucket]

Bucket,

Thank you for your excerpt from the archives. Can you tell me where on the archives you found this? I did a search for "magic of the right forearm primer," and did not see a post with that title.

Also, my interpretation of the section on the downstroke is that it describes a hitting procedure. Am I correct about this? If so, what would be the procedure for a swinger's chip?

I won't see any responses until tomorrow because I'm going offline now, but I appreciate all of the help that I'm getting.

teach

I had to dig deep to find it in the Golfing Machine section. There used to be some AWESOME pics. I'll check the Chuck Evans part. That's where it got started I believe.

As to "Is this Hitting?" Naw sir. Swingers have the SAME Right Forearm Flying Wedge Alignment with the mandatory Bent and Level Right Wrist. It is just how this assembly is driven that makes it Swinging or Hitting. Swinging the Right Forearm is INDIRECTLY DRIVEN into impact via CF and the Flywheel. Where as, with hitting the Right Forearm is DIRECTLY driven via the Right Tricep. But EITHER WAY . . . IT GET's DRIVEN.

[phimaynard]

Bucket,

Thank you for your excerpt from the archives. Can you tell me where on the archives you found this? I did a search for "magic of the right forearm primer," and did not see a post with that title.

Also, my interpretation of the section on the downstroke is that it describes a hitting procedure. Am I correct about this? If so, what would be the procedure for a swinger's chip?

I won't see any responses until tomorrow because I'm going offline now, but I appreciate all of the help that I'm getting.

teach

Teach
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[bambam]

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Magic of the Right Forearm