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Old 02-15-2005, 08:37 PM
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The three hinges
Lynn, anyone. Can you do a desription of the three hinges?

Lynn, you did a horizontal explanation in the post below that opened my eyes to that form.

Can you demonstrate (ie. arms out straight like a door) what the other two are like?

I still think many of us are confused on the different types.

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Old 02-15-2005, 08:50 PM
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Re: The three hinges
Originally Posted by wanole
Lynn, anyone. Can you do a desription of the three hinges?

Lynn, you did a horizontal explanation in the post below that opened my eyes to that form.

Can you demonstrate (ie. arms out straight like a door) what the other two are like?

I still think many of us are confused on the different types.

Thanks
Not Lynn, but...I'll see what I can do. First off, I'll clarify one thing - the "arm out like a door" for horizontal hinging is left arm only because the left wrist controls the clubface. You shouldn't have both arms participating in that demonstration, or these next two.

Angled Hinge:

Same type of "swinging arm" deal, except on an inclined plane of motion instead of a horizontal plane. Use your clubshaft plane as an example, since this is basically the Angled Plane that you will be holding your left wrist vertical to when applying Angled Hinging. Watch your left wrist as you swing back and forth - it's vertical to an angled plane. Just as with Horizontal Hinging, where the left wrist was vertical to a horizontal plane. Since you are already on the angled plane, angled hinging retains it's no roll feel.

Vertical Hinge:

Stand up again. Put your arms down at your sides, palms facing inwards. Now move your left arm up and down, like a kid making an airplane motion . That's the best visual I can give you. Notice your left wrist during this motion - it is moving vertical (perpendicular) to a vertical plane and having no roll. When this motion is made on your inclined plane (an angled plane) for your golf stroke, the clubface actually doesn't roll and that feels like a reverse roll (left wrist rotating "under" or "clockwise" to obtain the layback-only action). Executing the vertical hinge on an angled plane results in the Dual Vertical Hinge Action that you will use.

I realize this is a bit wordy, but this is a wordy subject. Please don't hesitate to ask for clarification.
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Old 02-15-2005, 09:40 PM
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Is hinging only consodered on the impact area? If I did angled and the wrist stayed perpendicular to the inclined plane then on the backswing ,u palm would be face up when my arm is at 9 oclock. So, I am assuming the hinging is only occuring in the hitting zone.

Horizontal vs. angled. If it's the same except the wrist is perpendicular to the plane for angled and thowrizontal is perp to the ground, then when would you horizontal hinge?

Hope you understand my questions. I just don't think I will be swinging at a ball with my left arm straight out parallel to the ground.

Angled hinging=horizontal hinging to the angle plane?
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Old 02-15-2005, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by wanole
Is hinging only consodered on the impact area? If I did angled and the wrist stayed perpendicular to the inclined plane then on the backswing ,u palm would be face up when my arm is at 9 oclock. So, I am assuming the hinging is only occuring in the hitting zone.

Horizontal vs. angled. If it's the same except the wrist is perpendicular to the plane for angled and thowrizontal is perp to the ground, then when would you horizontal hinge?

Angled hinging=horizontal hinging to the angle plane?
Each of the following paragraphs corresponds to the question in it's respective paragraph above.

1) Hinging is only in effect during impact, but should be "felt" from impact to followthrough (both arms straight).

2) The wrist is always perpendicular to the inclined plane because we stand on the side of the ball. To execute the horizontal hinge on an inclined plane (dual horizontal hinge), you need to change your "feel." Remember how the "swinging door" example was "no roll on a horizontal plane"? When you drop that horizontal hinge onto an angled plane (dual horizontal hinge), the feel becomes that of a full roll.

3) Angled hinging is not horizontal hinging on an angled plane. Each of the three hinge actions produces different clubface motions. You just have to "move" the horizontal and vertical hinges onto the angled plane, and to do that their "feels" change. Each hinge action feels like a "no roll" on it's respective plane - and since and angled hinge is already on an angled plane, that "feel" doesn't change. But the horizontal hinge becomes a full roll feel and the vertical hinge a reverse roll feel.
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Old 02-15-2005, 10:05 PM
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ok, I think I am getting it
For some reason this is complicated. lol
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Old 02-15-2005, 10:06 PM
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Not An Easy Subject
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For some reason this is complicated. lol


You got me working hard tonight Wanole. If you were standing here next to me, you'd "get it" in a matter of minutes.
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Old 02-15-2005, 10:12 PM
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Matt, great posts!

Bagger - it would be very helpful to make these posts 'sticky', wonderful descriptions and a very good reference point for hinge discussion IMO.
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Old 02-16-2005, 01:22 AM
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Matt,
You hit that one out of the park! Nice job on your explanation and description of hinging!
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Old 02-16-2005, 11:56 AM
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Matt, great posts!

Bagger - it would be very helpful to make these posts 'sticky', wonderful descriptions and a very good reference point for hinge discussion IMO.
We have been discussing what to do with the Hole-ies and Pole-ies chapter. Perhaps certain key subjects could be moved there. Otherwise they get lost deep in the database over time.

You got a pole-ie this time Matt!!! Nice job.

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Old 02-16-2005, 12:06 PM
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Another visual that can help with the hinges is to imagine your elbows/upper arms are 'flat' on a sheet of glass (the plane) at address.

In horizontal hinging, think of your hands 'rolling' up the plane, down the plane. - clockwise, then counter clockwise - 90 degrees back, 180 through.

In angled hinging, think of your hands/under arms 'sliding' up the plane/down the plane. Staying verticle - 'slapping' motion - the paddle wheel.

In verticle hinging, think of your hands 'rolling under' up the plane, down the plane - counter clockwise, clockwise. A 'concave' feel.
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