Hook, line, & sinker?

[EC]

I hope that this will be an interesting excercise...especially for all of you (us) true aficiandos of TGM:

What (Which) edict(s) of TGM do you have a real problem in accepting or just has never made sense to you? Admittedly, I have a couple at least, but I'm looking forward to hearing from the forum as a whole.

EC

Had to come back for an edit due to the failure to disclose that which some of you know already...I have a true reverence for TGM and its proponents. This is, in NO way an assault upon Mr. Kelley's work, but instead an opportunity to unveil some its greatest mysteries.

[ChrisNZ]

How the left wrist can be flat, the left palm lying on the plane, and the left arm off plane. Still haven't figured that one out, and the thread died where I was hoping for some clarification!

Just to add though, I have MASSIVE respect for Homer's work. It is miles ahead of most golf instruction. As a philosophy graduate, I would say that Homer is a bit like a Plato - not all Plato's ideas are accepted, but even as others surpassed him (and I'm not saying that anyone has necessarily surpassed Homer yet) he is still the greatest philosopher that ever lived because he basically invented philosophy (as we know it). As philosophers talk about the pre-Socratics, maybe one day golfers will talk about the pre-Homerics.

Chris

[birdie_man]

I'm not too big on (certain) swings (....some Swings) solely using the right forearm to control the motion.....i.e. Swings (Swingers- Drag Loading) with Standard Wrist Action....I've had OK results but nothign great. Something just isn't right....

i.e. Hogan (although this is an extreme example- some would say "You can't swing like Hogan!" or "Hogan was abnormal!" or w/e) would not be Hogan w/o him using his torso more like a rotor.....

....BUT....that's not to say that he didn't have Educated Hands.....Extensor Action....etc....all those good things. i.e., IMO his hands were not just "floppy" or "passive".....passive in driving/powering the swing maybe, but not passive in maintaining some sense of Geometry to go with the Physics of his pivot.

Who knows, my attitude might change as I learn more and experiment more but this is where I stand right now.....mind is still open tho- this is prolly the last thing (that I know of) that I'm skeptical of in TGM.

Remember.....I mean for certain Swings....

-Paul

P.S. good topic EC....we need to talk about stuff like this.

[jim_0068]

The endless belt effect and the 4 barrel SWING. At least i understand the concept of the endless belt effect, but i don't understand how we can "speed up the belt" so that we can swing up the clubhead. Also i know very little about both 4 barrel strokes and i'd like to know more

[neil]

Jim,I think you either have to turn faster (swinging ) or HIT harder -with all the associated hazards - 2-M-3 !.Now if you could explain how we get from elbow plane to shoulder plane to hand plane ..all in one swing..I would really appreciate it! Great thread for us begginers in particular.

[RickPinewild]

How the left wrist can be flat, the left palm lying on the plane, and the left arm off plane. Still haven't figured that one out, and the thread died where I was hoping for some clarification!

Chris

It seems to me that if the left wrist is flat and the palm is on plane, the left forearm has to be on plane unless your left hand grip is very poor. If it is not, someone please explain to me.

Rick

[RickPinewild]

The endless belt effect and the 4 barrel SWING. At least i understand the concept of the endless belt effect, but i don't understand how we can "speed up the belt" so that we can swing up the clubhead. Also i know very little about both 4 barrel strokes and i'd like to know more

Wouldn't a faster pivot increase the speed?

Rick

[RickPinewild]

Jim,we don't speed up the belt it is simply the change to angular motion as the belt goes around the pully.Now if you could explain how we get from elbow plane to shoulder plane to hand plane ..all in one swing..I would really appreciate it! Great thread for us begginers in particular.

I picture the plane as the PANE OF GLASS in the Hogan book that starts on the lie angle of the club (approx 55* to 65*) and then the top of the plane raises vertically as you swing the club up and then lowers back to the lie angle plane at impact, but the base line remains the same. At every point guring the swing, one end of the shaft is pointing at an extension of the base line of the plane, or parrallel to it.

Rick

[6bmike]

It seems to me that if the left wrist is flat and the palm is on plane, the left forearm has to be on plane unless your left hand grip is very poor. If it is not, someone please explain to me.

Rick

Because the hands are way down there and the left shoulder is way up there. LOL.

The right shoulder is driving on plane causing the left shoulder to rise up off plane. The up lifted left shoulder raises the left arm from the top down as the body remains in an axis tilt and spine angle. The flat left wrist as part of the left side Flying Wedge is on plane with the right forearm. It is an Inclined swing plane with a high end and a low end.

I know you have seen the pictures of the right forearm lower than the left arm into impact.

[neil]

Thanks Rick, I actually understand that part .It is the location of the turning shoulder plane which I suppose i am struggling with.Sorry should have been more precise.