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Old 11-15-2005, 12:25 AM
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It has been said that Brad Faxon has "too much lag," and that de-lagging him some would help him. I'm pretty sure at one time he did try to de-lag his swing.

What do you think of this? Have you ever seen a(rare) case of too much #2 Accumulator Lag in one's standard procedure, or do you believe this is possible?

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Old 11-15-2005, 01:55 AM
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de-steering instead
De-lagging. What a crock! Charles Howell used to have a ton of lag and lean until he was de-lagged..and check out his stats BEFORE the lead poisoning. He was #1 in Total Driving early in his career. Now, he's pretty well down the list.
Brad Faxon steers the ball too often. Neither he nor Tiger get "stuck" because of too much lag. We all just steer too much.
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Old 11-15-2005, 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by billmckinneygolf
De-lagging. What a crock! Charles Howell used to have a ton of lag and lean until he was de-lagged..and check out his stats BEFORE the lead poisoning. He was #1 in Total Driving early in his career. Now, he's pretty well down the list.
Brad Faxon steers the ball too often. Neither he nor Tiger get "stuck" because of too much lag. We all just steer too much.
Good post! What would you say is the best remedy for Steering?

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Old 11-15-2005, 03:29 AM
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Good post! What would you say is the best remedy for Steering?

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In my case steering = bending the plane line right in followthrough leading to a high hands finish.At Canton Brian Manzella thought this was my biggest fault.
The remedy was learning how to swing on plane. I am doing lots of training on this now using a laser from impact onwards keeping the laser pointed at the base line and in my case (swinger) training in horizontal hinging. Also I am working on keeping the club on plane through the followthrough swivel. Clyde Melancon of
http://www.golfjustlikethepros.com/
Has made me up a prototype of a Dual Laser Grip. A grip with a laser at both ends 180* from eachother.
http://www.golfjustlikethepros.com/D...ining_Grip.htm
I got the idea for the device when working on killing my steering action. It is due to turn up any day but I have a got a good feeling about it. Swinging on plane feels like you are swinging well left in followthrough compared to steering.

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Old 11-15-2005, 09:22 AM
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In my case steering = bending the plane line right in followthrough leading to a high hands finish.At Canton Brian Manzella thought this was my biggest fault.
The remedy was learning how to swing on plane. I am doing lots of training on this now using a laser from impact onwards keeping the laser pointed at the base line and in my case (swinger) training in horizontal hinging. Also I am working on keeping the club on plane through the followthrough swivel. Clyde Melancon of
http://www.golfjustlikethepros.com/
Has made me up a prototype of a Dual Laser Grip. A grip with a laser at both ends 180* from eachother.
http://www.golfjustlikethepros.com/D...ining_Grip.htm
I got the idea for the device when working on killing my steering action. It is due to turn up any day but I have a got a good feeling about it. Swinging on plane feels like you are swinging well left in followthrough compared to steering.
In an ideal world, the laser would come out of the #3 pressure point and shoot through the line of pull (sweetspot). If the laser is close enough to the #3 pressure point, shooting straight down the shaft can suffice.
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Old 11-15-2005, 10:03 AM
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In an ideal world, the laser would come out of the #3 pressure point and shoot through the line of pull (sweetspot). If the laser is close enough to the #3 pressure point, shooting straight down the shaft can suffice.
Ted: Thanks for that. So am I correct in thinking that the laser should point slightly outwards and above the base line in the followthrough about 1 1/2" or so? Can you describe precisely how you should use the laser in the post impact stages of the swing? I want to get this right.

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Old 11-15-2005, 11:31 AM
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What would you say is the best remedy for Steering?

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Get this concept in your Computer:

You make a motion, and the ball just gets in the way. You don't try to hit down, or try to square the face up, or try to accelerate just before Impact in an attempt to get more mash. Never hit at the ball. Never make any compensations for Impact. Ball just gets in the way...
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Get this concept in your Computer:

You make a motion, and the ball just gets in the way. You don't try to hit down, or try to square the face up, or try to accelerate just before Impact in an attempt to get more mash. Never hit at the ball. Never make any compensations for Impact. Ball just gets in the way...
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Old 11-15-2005, 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by billmckinneygolf
De-lagging. What a crock! Charles Howell used to have a ton of lag and lean until he was de-lagged..and check out his stats BEFORE the lead poisoning. He was #1 in Total Driving early in his career. Now, he's pretty well down the list.
Brad Faxon steers the ball too often. Neither he nor Tiger get "stuck" because of too much lag. We all just steer too much.
Bill. I don't have a high opinion of Leadbetter but have you got any idea of "His" logic behind wanting to reduce the amount of accumulator lag in Howell's swing. when you say "lean". Do you mean forward lean of the shaft at impact? What is Leadbetter trying to achieve by reducing that.
At the Open at St George's I got a job as a spotter. I was standing in the fenced off area between the spectator stand and the players on the practice ground(Press only area) . Howell was spraying his driver all over the place while being taught by Leadbetter he was getting really angry. There was another spotter a few yards from me directly behind him an Irish guy called Eanna . Howell stopped hitting balls walked to the fence and semi shouted at him "Have you got a problem , have you got a problem" I guess he was looking for an excuse for his poor performance. It crossed my mind to say " He has not got a problem mate but you have . That useless coach ." I kept my mouth shut but have wondered what the outcome would have been if I had said that.

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Old 11-16-2005, 01:20 PM
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Bill. I don't have a high opinion of Leadbetter but have you got any idea of "His" logic behind wanting to reduce the amount of accumulator lag in Howell's swing. when you say "lean". Do you mean forward lean of the shaft at impact? What is Leadbetter trying to achieve by reducing that.
At the Open at St George's I got a job as a spotter. I was standing in the fenced off area between the spectator stand and the players on the practice ground(Press only area) . Howell was spraying his driver all over the place while being taught by Leadbetter he was getting really angry. There was another spotter a few yards from me directly behind him an Irish guy called Eanna . Howell stopped hitting balls walked to the fence and semi shouted at him "Have you got a problem , have you got a problem" I guess he was looking for an excuse for his poor performance. It crossed my mind to say " He has not got a problem mate but you have . That useless coach ." I kept my mouth shut but have wondered what the outcome would have been if I had said that.
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I saw Charley's swing after a de-lagging. I think he had 1 degree forward lean with a sand wedge. The instructor(G.S.E.D.) asked him why he was doing that... he said, that's what his other instructor wanted.

The G.S.E.D. put the lag(#2) right back in there. As I recall...he was able to get it back quite quickly. An obvious difference of opinion on the LAG.
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