The Beauty of 12-5

[Yoda]

Hmm...so for 12-5-1, when Homer lists Acc #4, was he referring to independent Left Arm Power, or Body Power?

We're talking about a Stroke that is two feet back and two feet through. Body Power? I don't think so!

[Yoda]

Does 12-5-2/3 include all the components before it (e.g. components in 12-5-3 includes all those in 12-5-2 and 12-5-1)?

The 1-L reference for 12-5-1 #15 (Pressure Point #3) is 1-L-7 and 1-L-12.

1-L-7: The Lever Assembly is driven by exerting pressure against it.
So for obvious reasons, I'm thinking this reference is for Hitters only. Hmmm...

1-L-12: Ball Speed is dependent on both before Impact and after Impact Clubhead Speed.
I'm thinking...PP#3 is usually assigned for sensing Clubhead Lag. And the prestressed shaft that comes with Clubhead Lag helps resist Impact Deceleration. Hmmm...

1. The Components added are cumulative.

2. The reference 1-L-7/12 includes all Items in the series, i.e., numbers 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12.

3. The Right Forearm is the driving force in 1-L-7 and 1-L-10, whether that drive is Centrifugal or Muscular. This is the 'thrown or driven' Right Forearm of the Major Basic Stroke (7-3).

4. For Hitters, Pressure Point #3 is Active as both the Direct drive of the #2 Power Accumulator (the Left Wristcock) and the Indirect drive of the Clubhead Lag. It is both Aiming and Thrust. For Swingers, because Centrifugal Force (not Muscle Power) drives both the Club and the Clubhead Lag, it is Aiming only. And Pre-Stress is the domain of the Hitter, not the Swinger.

[tongzilla]

We're talking about a Stroke that is two feet back and two feet through. Body Power? I don't think so!

I didn't mean the full fireworks e.g. spinning the flywheel and Right Shoulder Drive to Load PP#4, etc...

I meant using just a little Pivot to give that Left Arm a little mini blast off, as opposed to using your left arm muscles to move to left arm (ala Ben Doyle...that's a discussion for another day )

[Yoda]

I didn't mean the full fireworks e.g. spinning the flywheel and Right Shoulder Drive to Load PP#4, etc...

I meant using just a little Pivot to give that Left Arm a little mini blast off, as opposed to using your left arm muscles to move to left arm (ala Ben Doyle...that's a discussion for another day )

The Right Shoulder Turn Thrust drives the Left Arm in a Pivot Stroke. And the Shoulders are a Dual Agent (2-H, 7-13), i.e., they are part of both the Power Package and the Pivot. So, Shoulder Motion (and Action) does not violate the requirements for Zero Pivot.

However...

In addition to Zero Pivot, the Basic Motion of 12-5-1 specifies that the Shoulder Turn also be Zero. Remember, this is a tiny shot. As I've previously stated, everybody wants to make this motion bigger than it is. Per 6-B-4-0 and 10-3-D, the Left Arm motion can be independent of the Pivot.

Point of information: In the as-yet-unpublished 7th edition, Homer Kelley changed the Zero Pivot requirement of 12-5-2 to Minimal Pivot. In addition to the already permitted Downstroke Shoulder Turn, this expansion satisfies the need for the Swinger's essentially inert Left Arm to pick up a little Body Momentum Transfer from a 'thrown' Right Shoulder via the Hip Action of 7-15. In addition, it also satisfies more than a little 'psychological need.'

Bottom line: I'm all for the Swinger's 'mini-blast-off' in 12-5-2 (Acquired Motion) and the major-blastoff of 12-5-3 (Total Motion), but...

In the Basic Motion of 12-5-1...

Nada.

The Left Arm is on its own.

Which, of course, is why Hitting -- Right Elbow Drive -- is so attractive in the Short Strokes.

[annikan skywalker]

Oh what the Hey.....You've gone through Stage One as in depth as never before...you've enticed us with Stage 2.....Let's finish the deal here...I dare ya....

[12 piece bucket]

Oh what the Hey.....You've gone through Stage One as in depth as never before...you've enticed us with Stage 2.....Let's finish the deal here...I dare ya....

Double-dookey-doo-doo-ball dare?

[YodasLuke]

Double-dookey-doo-doo-ball dare?

You crack me up, 13 piece extra crispy. I can't wait to meet you.

[12 piece bucket]

You crack me up, 13 piece extra crispy. I can't wait to meet you.

DUUUUUUDE!!!!

You have had the Bucket experience!

Hint . . . Last January warm weather . . . short fat red-headed dude . . . dorky looking glasses . . . 40 lbs overweight . . . turned grip . . . You told me, "I have never seen a 10 handicap with that much lag." I'll never forget that comment. . . spent the day with Collards and you gave I hitting demo . . . would have hate to have been those range balls. Talk about red arse.

Guess what? Still got the lag . . . and the 10 handicap! But I got more offspring too so the cap will get better . . . in 18 or 20 years ! Got us a 4 piece grab bag and a lil' bucket parfait.

[YodasLuke]

DUUUUUUDE!!!!

You have had the Bucket experience!

Hint . . . Last January warm weather . . . short fat red-headed dude . . . dorky looking glasses . . . 40 lbs overweight . . . turned grip . . . You told me, "I have never seen a 10 handicap with that much lag." I'll never forget that comment. . .

Guess what? Still got the lag . . . and the 10 handicap! But I got more offspring too so the cap will get better . . . in 18 or 20 years ! Got us a 4 piece grab bag and a lil' bucket parfait.

That was you!!!???
I expected grease dripping from every orifice!!!!!

[12 piece bucket]

That was you!!!???
I expected grease dripping from every orifice!!!!!

'Twas I. I'm leavin' well enough alone on the grease and the orifice . . . this thread could take an extreme detour to a naughty place !