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Augusta Controversy
Anyone pick up the latest Golf Digest and read Jack and Arnie's comments about the latest changes at Augusta National?
Offsite link - http://www.golfdigest.com/majors/mas...tachanges.html
From pgatour.com
Augusta National Course Changes
Augusta National underwent several changes following the 2005 Masters Tournament, with six holes -- Nos. 1, 4, 7, 11, 15 and 17 -- receiving updates.
The Masters tees of the aforementioned six holes were moved back anywhere from 10 to 40 yards, increasing the legendary course's yardage from 7,290 yards to 7,445.
In addition to the lengthening process, trees were added to the fairways on Nos. 1, 7 and 11; the fairways of Nos. 11 and 15 were shifted to the left; and the No. 7 green was re-grassed, creating the opportunity for groundskeepers to set up a possible right-rear pin position.
The modifications are not the first in Augusta National's history. Below is a list of the other significant changes that have taken place at the course, dating back to when it was founded.
Year Change - 1931 Land is purchased for Augusta National Golf Club. Alister Mackenzie and Robert T. Jones are asked to design the course.
- 1932 Club opens in December.
- 1933 Formal opening takes place in January.
- 1935 Front and back nines are reversed.
- 1949 Ike's Pond is created.
- 1955 Bridge at No. 15 is dedicated as the 'Gene Sarazen Bridge.'
- 1958 Par 3 course is created. Bridges are dedicated to Ben Hogan (hole No. 12) and Byron Nelson (hole No. 13).
- 1974 Feldspar sand is introduced in the bunkers.
- 1978 Bentgrass greens added to the Par 3 course.
- 1981 All greens on Augusta National are converted to bentgrass. A heating and cooling system is added to the green at No. 12.
- 1990 Fixed the damaged caused by floods to the greens at No. 11 and 12, and the members tee at No. 13.
- 1992 New practice green is built.
- 1999 The second cut of grass along the fairway is increased to 1 3/8 inch.
- 2002 Tees on nine holes are either redesigned or lengthened. Several fairways and bunkers were altered. Course yardage was increased to 7,270.
- 2003 Tee on No. 5 and fairway bunkers are extended approximately 80 yards toward the green. The hole now measures 455 yards.
- 2004 Pine trees added to the right side of the fairway on No. 11. Green on No. 13 is rebuilt and heating/cooling systems are installed.
* Source: Augusta National Golf Club.
What do you think?
Thanks,
Bagger
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03-06-2006, 04:58 PM
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Fix the ball, not the courses.
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03-06-2006, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by EdZ
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Fix the ball, not the courses.
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I second that. The Masters Committee are one of the few organisations is golf powerful enough to introduce a new ball.
I vote for a "Masters Ball" with the classic tee locations
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03-07-2006, 11:02 AM
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It's absolutely ridiculous......in their effort to keep the longer guys in line they're just making everything out of reach for the mid to shorter guys....
So dumb.
Thet need to make the course more normal....I'm not a short hitter but I can still see that's dumb.....
Make it favor accuracy, ballstriking more.....and favor raw, caveman power less.
There's really no way you can take the advantage away from the long hitters (especially the ones that are also good ballstrikers) but this just gives them MORE......a course should make you question whether or not you want to take the RISK of bombing it.....
There should be more than one best way to play most holes.
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03-09-2006, 01:19 AM
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Course changes
Would you rather see a six foot crown on the greens? Or how about ten yard wide fairways AND 8" DEEP rough. Better yet, 30 foot deep bunkers. Better still, 18 Island greens.
In other words, it's a TV show. 4 hours on Sunday. Only one guy can win, get it done. A ten way tie can last six hours. That won't do. One guy has to stand out and lead to win. That's TV law.
Driving the ball long is what the average golfer and TV viewer is all about.
It's all about tee boxes. You get to choose which tee box you play from, you don't get to choose which green you aim to.
What compression ball? 60? 80?... Can you imagine all of the variables. Do you really think a fair ball can exist?
Imagine this. Tiger drives the new ball 260 yards. XYZ player drives the ball 240 yards. Then Tiger uses a 9 iron to hit the ball 125 yards and XYZ player uses an 8 iron to hit the ball 145yards. Hmm? I'm exited, are you? The average weight of a tour player will rise to 240 lbs and be able to bench press 400lbs. And, they will all have Moe Normans swing.
Hmm?? Here's another nightmare...If the PGA adopts a lower compression ball, then can all of the women and all of the seniors play on the same tour??????????????????????????????
I say a new policy is needed. ALL GOLF COURSES MUST HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 50 ACRES SURROUNDING THEM JUST IN CASE THEY NEED TO BE LENGTHENED.
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03-09-2006, 05:51 AM
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It must stop. Take the course back to pre-2002 and
a) disallow lofts below 20 degrees until figured out what to do about the ball.
or
b) add a penalty of 1 stroke for all teeshots longer than 300 yards until figured out what to do about the ball.
or
c) whatever
but it must stop.
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03-09-2006, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Daryl
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I say a new policy is needed. ALL GOLF COURSES MUST HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 50 ACRES SURROUNDING THEM JUST IN CASE THEY NEED TO BE LENGTHENED.
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The "race to the bottom"
Imagine if they allowed baseball to use new bats and a ball that traveled farther and straighter.
Would we rebuild all the fields in the country, every local school and park and major and minor league ball park to fix the problem?
Of course not - IT WOULD BE A WASTE OF RESOURCES
And this world is short on resources. No need to use what we have inefficiently. A lot of people don't seem to get that.
There is a 'bigger picture' - The "Whole Picture" - see 2-R 
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03-09-2006, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Daryl
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Would you rather see a six foot crown on the greens? Or how about ten yard wide fairways AND 8" DEEP rough. Better yet, 30 foot deep bunkers. Better still, 18 Island greens.
In other words, it's a TV show. 4 hours on Sunday. Only one guy can win, get it done. A ten way tie can last six hours. That won't do. One guy has to stand out and lead to win. That's TV law.
Driving the ball long is what the average golfer and TV viewer is all about.
It's all about tee boxes. You get to choose which tee box you play from, you don't get to choose which green you aim to.
What compression ball? 60? 80?... Can you imagine all of the variables. Do you really think a fair ball can exist?
Imagine this. Tiger drives the new ball 260 yards. XYZ player drives the ball 240 yards. Then Tiger uses a 9 iron to hit the ball 125 yards and XYZ player uses an 8 iron to hit the ball 145yards. Hmm? I'm exited, are you? The average weight of a tour player will rise to 240 lbs and be able to bench press 400lbs. And, they will all have Moe Normans swing.
Hmm?? Here's another nightmare...If the PGA adopts a lower compression ball, then can all of the women and all of the seniors play on the same tour??????????????????????????????
I say a new policy is needed. ALL GOLF COURSES MUST HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 50 ACRES SURROUNDING THEM JUST IN CASE THEY NEED TO BE LENGTHENED.
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O c'mon don't exagerate...Tiger hitting it 260???.....no one said they should roll it back THAT far...
I hate that "if we change some things, when will it stop?" argument....
Ok.....not excited eh? SO no Masters tournaments were exciting b4 this explosion in distance?
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No one wants them to shift in that direction either (OVERLY ridiculously long rough....OVERLY narrow fairways...hitting iron off EVERY tee.....etc.).....either end of the spectrum is just ridiculous......
What they need to find is a balance somewhere in the middle. To better accomodate more styles of play....and make these guys think a little before they just hammer it up there on every hole.
Long hitters will always have the advantage anyway....and rightly so.....but they should give em a little harder time.....some risk vs. reward....SOME wide open holes......SOME more guarded holes...
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All they are doing by lengthening the course is alienating some players....they aren't stopping anything or getting in the way of any of the longer hitters (those guys are licking their chops).....they're just taking some guys outta competition and trying to lower the winning score (which is another thing that really bugs me.....oh boo hoo hoo Augusta got ripped up.....go cry).
Last edited by birdie_man : 03-14-2006 at 03:32 AM.
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