Tomasello, Chapter 4

[Weightshift]

I'm finding the whole Tomasello videos very instructive. In Chapter 4 he discusses and demonstrates vertical, horizontal and angled hinging and he shows that these three motions are caused by manipulations of the clubface (guided by the back of the left hand, or front of the right hand) from impact to finish.

He then goes on to demonstrate that these three ball flights are caused by down the line, inside out and outside in swings.

So which is it? ..or is hand manipulation, or clubhead path manipulation wrt the stance line, just alternate solutions?

Thanks,
Alan

[Delaware Golf]

I'm finding the whole Tomasello videos very instructive. In Chapter 4 he discusses and demonstrates vertical, horizontal and angled hinging and he shows that these three motions are caused by manipulations of the clubface (guided by the back of the left hand, or front of the right hand) from impact to finish.

He then goes on to demonstrate that these three ball flights are caused by down the line, inside out and outside in swings.

So which is it? ..or is hand manipulation, or clubhead path manipulation wrt the stance line, just alternate solutions?

Thanks,
Alan

Alan,

Study right arm motions (section 10-3), Left Wrist Motions (section 10-18, the Magic of the Right Forearm per section 7-3,go through the hinge motion section (section 10-10)...

Then look at the stroke patterns from section 12-1-0 and 12-2-0 and identify the component variations that Homer uses from the above sections then re-read everything on those components....re-watch the Tomasello Chapter 4 video, then come back with more and/or revisit your initial questions.

Enjoy the learning process,

DG

[Weightshift]

Alan,

Study right arm motions (section 10-3), Left Wrist Motions (section 10-18, the Magic of the Right Forearm per section 7-3,go through the hinge motion section (section 10-10)...

Then look at the stroke patterns from section 12-1-0 and 12-2-0 and identify the component variations that Homer uses from the above sections then re-read everything on those components....re-watch the Tomasello Chapter 4 video, then come back with more and/or revisit your initial questions.

Enjoy the learning process,

DG

I've been doing what you suggested but think I'm more confused than ever <g>. What does "paddlewheel action" actually mean?

[Fortunately, over the winter, I converted the Book to HTML, for my personal use -- and makes quoting so easy]

E.g. 2-G
These motions also duplicate the motions of the paddles of a paddlewheel rotating around an axis vertical to one of the three Basic Planes. And an equivalent term could be "Clubface Paddlewheel Action" executed as a Left Wrist Paddlewheel Motion.

E.g. 6-B-1-0
This results in a smooth, even Thrust for acceleration of the Lever Assemblies (6-A-2) from an otherwise unruly force. Active or Passive, the straightening Right Elbow with its Paddlewheel Action, powers, guides and regulates the #3 Accumulator Motion (7-1 but not the actual Clubface aligning (1-F). Study (2-M), (7-11) and Component 19.

E.g. 7-18
The Paddlewheel Action of the straightening Right Elbow (10-10-C) initiates and sustains the #3 Accumulator Hand Motion (4-D-0) until the Both-Arms-Straight and Zero Accumulator #3 position of Full Extension - but, of course, under the guidance of the Flat, Vertical Left Wrist Hinge Action (2-G).

E.g. 10-2-D
The palm of the Right Hand moves toward Impact exactly like a paddle-wheel rotating On Plane - no separate Rolling Motion until after Impact. See (10-10-C).

E.g. 10-10-C
This is identical to the paddle-Wheel motion of the straightening Right Arm but is a superior procedure (1-F).

E.g. 10-19-0
Hitters using Horizontal Hinging must consciously resist the tendency of Right Arm Paddlewheel Action toward Angled Hinging.

E.g. 10-24-E
The Paddlewheel Action of Angled Hinging (10-10-C) or the Throw Out Action of Accumulator #3 (6-B-3-0), if unhampered, will whip the Hands and the Clubface into impact alignment per (7-23).

E.g. Glossary
FLAT AND VERTICAL FLAT LEFT WRIST Example - Left hand Karate chop.
Mechanical - The Paddlewheel blade relationships as vertical to its axis of rotation and vertical to its plane of rotation.
Golf - Positioning the Left Wrist to be vertical to its Left Shoulder Axis and to its Associated Plane during Impact.

E.g. Index
Paddlewheel (10-10-C)

Even with all my years in the Navy, I've never seen a paddle wheel -- and can think of nothing that it might do that would illustrate an action in the golf swing. Please explain.

[Delaware Golf]

I've been doing what you suggested but think I'm more confused than ever <g>. What does "paddlewheel action" actually mean?

[Fortunately, over the winter, I converted the Book to HTML, for my personal use -- and makes quoting so easy]

E.g. 2-G
These motions also duplicate the motions of the paddles of a paddlewheel rotating around an axis vertical to one of the three Basic Planes. And an equivalent term could be "Clubface Paddlewheel Action" executed as a Left Wrist Paddlewheel Motion.

E.g. 6-B-1-0
This results in a smooth, even Thrust for acceleration of the Lever Assemblies (6-A-2) from an otherwise unruly force. Active or Passive, the straightening Right Elbow with its Paddlewheel Action, powers, guides and regulates the #3 Accumulator Motion (7-1 but not the actual Clubface aligning (1-F). Study (2-M), (7-11) and Component 19.

E.g. 7-18
The Paddlewheel Action of the straightening Right Elbow (10-10-C) initiates and sustains the #3 Accumulator Hand Motion (4-D-0) until the Both-Arms-Straight and Zero Accumulator #3 position of Full Extension - but, of course, under the guidance of the Flat, Vertical Left Wrist Hinge Action (2-G).

E.g. 10-2-D
The palm of the Right Hand moves toward Impact exactly like a paddle-wheel rotating On Plane - no separate Rolling Motion until after Impact. See (10-10-C).

E.g. 10-10-C
This is identical to the paddle-Wheel motion of the straightening Right Arm but is a superior procedure (1-F).

E.g. 10-19-0
Hitters using Horizontal Hinging must consciously resist the tendency of Right Arm Paddlewheel Action toward Angled Hinging.

E.g. 10-24-E
The Paddlewheel Action of Angled Hinging (10-10-C) or the Throw Out Action of Accumulator #3 (6-B-3-0), if unhampered, will whip the Hands and the Clubface into impact alignment per (7-23).

E.g. Glossary
FLAT AND VERTICAL FLAT LEFT WRIST Example - Left hand Karate chop.
Mechanical - The Paddlewheel blade relationships as vertical to its axis of rotation and vertical to its plane of rotation.
Golf - Positioning the Left Wrist to be vertical to its Left Shoulder Axis and to its Associated Plane during Impact.

E.g. Index
Paddlewheel (10-10-C)

Even with all my years in the Navy, I've never seen a paddle wheel -- and can think of nothing that it might do that would illustrate an action in the golf swing. Please explain.

When in a state of confusion regarding a word like Paddlewheel...one should seek a dictionary or do a google search...

Checkout this link regarding Paddle Wheel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paddle_wheel

Then go back to the sections on left wrist motion, angled hinge action and right arm motion...then try to execute a hitters motion in regards to those sections with the picture of the paddle wheel. I believe a light bulb might go off...

DG

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When in a state of confusion regarding a word like Paddlewheel...one should seek a dictionary or do a google search...

Oh I did, but there's nothing out there related to the golf swing except this critical view of Kelley:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/52812...liar+With....-
"The upshot of all this is that Kelly appears to have no real understanding of the biomechanics of the shoulder stroke. In the shoulder stroke, the arm pits don't really open. The "axel" of the "Paddle Wheel" would be the clavicle that connects the two shoulder sockets to make a unit, not unlike a coat hanger on a closet rod. When the "Paddle Wheel" turns, the whole shoulderframe rotates about the clavicle as a unit. This is not an arms action stroke, with the arm pits hinging open as Kelley describes."

Checkout this link regarding Paddle Wheel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paddle_wheel

Like feathering the clubface through the water. You've
got to be joking.

Then go back to the sections on left wrist motion, angled hinge action and right arm motion...then try to execute a hitters motion in regards to those sections with the picture of the paddle wheel. I believe a light bulb might go off...
DG

I don't know about a light bulb going off -- I think you are in the dark as much as me about this one, else you would have described what Kelley meant in your own words.

T

[Delaware Golf]

Oh I did, but there's nothing out there related to the golf swing except this critical view of Kelley:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/52812...liar+With....-
"The upshot of all this is that Kelly appears to have no real understanding of the biomechanics of the shoulder stroke. In the shoulder stroke, the arm pits don't really open. The "axel" of the "Paddle Wheel" would be the clavicle that connects the two shoulder sockets to make a unit, not unlike a coat hanger on a closet rod. When the "Paddle Wheel" turns, the whole shoulderframe rotates about the clavicle as a unit. This is not an arms action stroke, with the arm pits hinging open as Kelley describes."



Like feathering the clubface through the water. You've
got to be joking.



I don't know about a light bulb going off -- I think you are in the dark as much as me about this one, else you would have described what Kelley meant in your own words.

T

Sounds like your issue with hitting is more involved than just the paddle wheel concept...sorry I couldn't help you. Some get it, Some don't, Some want to make it more complicated than it is...

DG

[powerdraw]

I'm finding the whole Tomasello videos very instructive. In Chapter 4 he discusses and demonstrates vertical, horizontal and angled hinging and he shows that these three motions are caused by manipulations of the clubface (guided by the back of the left hand, or front of the right hand) from impact to finish.

He then goes on to demonstrate that these three ball flights are caused by down the line, inside out and outside in swings.

So which is it? ..or is hand manipulation, or clubhead path manipulation wrt the stance line, just alternate solutions?

Thanks,
Alan

where do you get these chapters-vids of toms?

[jim_0068]

where do you get these chapters-vids of toms?

they are in the video section of this site

[Weightshift]

they are in the video section of this site

Thanks for answering 'powerdraw' on my behalf. I see that you and 'Delaware Golf' are listed as 'Senior Members'. What exactly does that mean?

Would you care to step in and explain what is so remarkable about a paddle wheel that Homer Kelley felt it necessary to use its example in explaining part of the golf swing?

Thanks,
Alan

[Delaware Golf]

Thanks for answering 'powerdraw' on my behalf. I see that you and 'Delaware Golf' are listed as 'Senior Members'. What exactly does that mean?

Would you care to step in and explain what is so remarkable about a paddle wheel that Homer Kelley felt it necessary to use its example in explaining part of the golf swing?

Thanks,
Alan

Alan,

I'm the one who supplied Lynn and his staff with the Tomasello video you found "very instructive"...that's what "Senior Member" means...

Have fun studying TGM.

DG