Right Arm/ Elbow

[lagster]

Explain the Action and Positions of the RIGHT ARM and ELBOW during the Stroke (Hit and Swing), in your own words(UP and DOWN).
Notice the pictures in 9-2-5, 9-2-9, 10-3 A, and 10-6-B.

In these pictures in the book the Right Elbow does not appear to be in front of the RIGHT HIP. At the TOP, in most of the pictures in the book, the RIGHT ELBOW appears slightly under the plane. Confusion, or mis-application in these areas, can cause much frustation.

The RIGHT ARM cannot do it's "magic" unless it moves properly, and gets into the proper positions.

[EdZ]

Explain the Action and Positions of the RIGHT ARM and ELBOW during the Stroke (Hit and Swing), in your own words(UP and DOWN).
Notice the pictures in 9-2-5, 9-2-9, 10-3 A, and 10-6-B.

In these pictures in the book the Right Elbow does not appear to be in front of the RIGHT HIP. At the TOP, in most of the pictures in the book, the RIGHT ELBOW appears slightly under the plane. Confusion, or mis-application in these areas, can cause much frustation.

The RIGHT ARM cannot do it's "magic" unless it moves properly, and gets into the proper positions.

If I understand your question, you seem to be asking what is the difference between punch and pitch elbow.

A core difference is which 'flying wedge' is the primary focus/alignment.

For pitch (swinger), the position of the right elbow 'in front' of the right hip, places the priority on the left wedge, due to the requirements of using CF as the primary motivator. Any trend towards punch elbow using CF is likely to interupt the required transfer power needed to utilize CF properly, so this position minimizes the potential for that to occur.

For punch (hitter), the position of the right elbow 'down and at the side' of the right hip, places the priority on the right wedge, due to the linear 'driving' force as the primary motivator. Any trend towards pitch elbow using 'driving' force tends to interupt the 'straight line effort', making it too 'circular', however unlike the pitch/CF counterpart, this is 'less' of an issue for a hitter - hence a part of the reason that 4 barrel is generally considered to be only possible as a hitter.

[lagster]

If I understand your question, you seem to be asking what is the difference between punch and pitch elbow.

A core difference is which 'flying wedge' is the primary focus/alignment.

For pitch (swinger), the position of the right elbow 'in front' of the right hip, places the priority on the left wedge, due to the requirements of using CF as the primary motivator. Any trend towards punch elbow using CF is likely to interupt the required transfer power needed to utilize CF properly, so this position minimizes the potential for that to occur.

For punch (hitter), the position of the right elbow 'down and at the side' of the right hip, places the priority on the right wedge, due to the linear 'driving' force as the primary motivator. Any trend towards pitch elbow using 'driving' force tends to interupt the 'straight line effort', making it too 'circular', however unlike the pitch/CF counterpart, this is 'less' of an issue for a hitter - hence a part of the reason that 4 barrel is generally considered to be only possible as a hitter.

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Thanks Ed! That is good info.

I am more concerned with how to get to the Top(PICKUP or other), and the STRUT relationship at the Top. Some might have noticed that the right forearm looks parallel to the spine angle in some of the pictures at the TOP(10-6-B for example).

Also... in the picture in 9-2-9 the elbow is NOT in front of the hip, but it looks like it is still supposed to be a PITCH. I believe that if the elbow is horsed up there the wrong way, some things could be disrupted(hand path etc.)

I have noticed that (most) pictures of Swingers show the elbow more at the side, but when swinging the right forearm looks more in a supinated attitude.(10-20-E)

[Sbark]

can someone work in an explanation as to how Hogans "golfers elbow" enter in on this discussion

specifically his trail elbow pointed down, allowing it to fold
....and how it works in the hitters motion

thanks in advance