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Old 04-26-2006, 04:38 PM
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For many years the teaching of a little pause at the Top, or End has been kicked around. We know from high speed video that nearly all tour caliber players do not actually STOP at the Top, except for maybe Bob Murphy. There is, however, a change of direction, that may FEEL LIKE A PAUSE. This may be especially true for those whose transition has been out of wack.

When the OUT OF WACK player incorporates a PAUSE, his swing often gets in sync... at least for a while. He may also more easily eliminate an unwanted double cocking action, or right wrist cock. He may be able to more easily monitor his PRESSURE POINTS, FLYING WEDGES, or any number of things.

Why? Because he has a little more TIME. TIME, is one of the four primary elements of PHYSICS. MASS, SPACE, TIME, and ENERGY. The TIME element of any stroke must be correct(for that person) or the stroke will suffer.

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Old 04-26-2006, 11:51 PM
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If you float load, then I think it's OK if you have the millisecond pause.

V.J. verbally kicked my butt for pausing at the top. He had me swing the "whippy club" to help make his point. You can't pause with the whippy club. If you do, then you lose the load on your pressure points. Once you load, you must move that load or lose it. Once loaded, the quick hip action 2 inch bump of the swinger at the start of the downswing keeps it there. I think that's why HK has "snap loading" at the "end" of the backstroke for swingers. 12-2-0.

It took about 10-15 swings with the whippy to get it all together before I started hitting straight shots.

And, the club is moving pretty fast against the pressure points to fully load them.
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Old 04-27-2006, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by lagster
For many years the teaching of a little pause at the Top, or End has been kicked around. We know from high speed video that nearly all tour caliber players do not actually STOP at the Top, except for maybe Bob Murphy. There is, however, a change of direction, that may FEEL LIKE A PAUSE. This may be especially true for those whose transition has been out of wack.

When the OUT OF WACK player incorporates a PAUSE, his swing often gets in sync... at least for a while. He may also more easily eliminate an unwanted double cocking action, or right wrist cock. He may be able to more easily monitor his PRESSURE POINTS, FLYING WEDGES, or any number of things.

Why? Because he has a little more TIME. TIME, is one of the four primary elements of PHYSICS. MASS, SPACE, TIME, and ENERGY. The TIME element of any stroke must be correct(for that person) or the stroke will suffer.

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Proper 'Time' is the most commonly lacking element in the vast majority of players, next to balance.

Rhythm, Tempo.

The RATIO of loading to unloading around a circle.

PI

3.14 to 1
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Old 04-27-2006, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by EdZ
Proper 'Time' is the most commonly lacking element in the vast majority of players, next to balance.

Rhythm, Tempo.

The RATIO of loading to unloading around a circle.

PI

3.14 to 1
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Can you elaborate a little more Mr. EdZ?
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Old 04-28-2006, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by lagster
For many years the teaching of a little pause at the Top, or End has been kicked around. We know from high speed video that nearly all tour caliber players do not actually STOP at the Top, except for maybe Bob Murphy. There is, however, a change of direction, that may FEEL LIKE A PAUSE. This may be especially true for those whose transition has been out of wack.

When the OUT OF WACK player incorporates a PAUSE, his swing often gets in sync... at least for a while. He may also more easily eliminate an unwanted double cocking action, or right wrist cock. He may be able to more easily monitor his PRESSURE POINTS, FLYING WEDGES, or any number of things.

Why? Because he has a little more TIME. TIME, is one of the four primary elements of PHYSICS. MASS, SPACE, TIME, and ENERGY. The TIME element of any stroke must be correct(for that person) or the stroke will suffer.

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The clubhead definitely pauses (when the backward momentum and the forward reach a balance and lag is loaded, or neither is present and no lag is loaded) at the top before coming down (when the forward overpowers the backward), but your intention shouldn't.

A clubhead pauses with nothing loaded (or no lag) can be subjected to instability the easiest, regardless of the time it is allowed to avoid one.

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YOU load and sustain the "LAG", during which the "LAW" releases it, ideally beyond impact.
"Sustain (Yang/陽) the lag (Yin/陰)" is "the unification of Ying and Yang" (陰陽合一).
The "LAW" creates the "effect", which is the "motion" or "feel", with the "cause", which is the "intent" or "command".
"Lag" is the secret of golf, passion is the secret of life.
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Old 05-04-2006, 08:30 PM
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The clubhead definitely pauses (when the backward momentum and the forward reach a balance and lag is loaded, or neither is present and no lag is loaded) at the top before coming down (when the forward overpowers the backward), but your intention shouldn't.

A clubhead pauses with nothing loaded (or no lag) can be subjected to instability the easiest, regardless of the time it is allowed to avoid one.

"Lag" is the secret.
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Lag is indeed a big deal.

Concerning time, etc.... What do you think of the Tour Tempo concept. I believe this is based on the idea that nearly all good players swing with a 3:1 Ratio, or some variation of that ratio. They get the whole thing done much faster than most people would believe, they are just so smooth and efficient, that they APPEAR to be slower than they actually are.
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Old 05-04-2006, 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by EdZ
Proper 'Time' is the most commonly lacking element in the vast majority of players, next to balance.

Rhythm, Tempo.

The RATIO of loading to unloading around a circle.

PI

3.14 to 1
Interesting EdZ,what do you mean by the ratio of loading /unloading.(I am familiar with pi by the way)I have not yet figured it out but have believed for a while that there is a correlation between the length of the primary lever assembly and the secondary lever assembly and the optimum handspeed vs clubhead speed.The more i think and try to calculate the more Mr Kelly's comments make sense-AND ALWAYS COME BACK TO --LAG .What a genius(have read Tour Tempo btw)
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Old 05-05-2006, 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by lagster
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Lag is indeed a big deal.

Concerning time, etc.... What do you think of the Tour Tempo concept. I believe this is based on the idea that nearly all good players swing with a 3:1 Ratio, or some variation of that ratio.
I prefer 1:1 (from "take away" to "at the top" : from "starting down" to the "finish"), which is not only more symmetric and easier to time, but also promotes "through" instead of "at" impact.
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They get the whole thing done much faster than most people would believe,
Otherwise, the "lag" can't be properly loaded and sustained.
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they are just so smooth and efficient, that they APPEAR to be slower than they actually are.
The sustained "lag/resistance/heavy feel" keeps not only the "starting down" from hurrying up (in terms of "physics"), but also the "swing plane" from bending above or outside the plane line (in terms of "geometry").

No "lag", no swing.
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YOU load and sustain the "LAG", during which the "LAW" releases it, ideally beyond impact.
"Sustain (Yang/陽) the lag (Yin/陰)" is "the unification of Ying and Yang" (陰陽合一).
The "LAW" creates the "effect", which is the "motion" or "feel", with the "cause", which is the "intent" or "command".
"Lag" is the secret of golf, passion is the secret of life.
Think as a golfer, execute like a robot.
Rotate, twist, spin, turn.
Bend the shaft.

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